JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[ograc]

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There are battles to be waged. There are battles that need to be won on the immediate horizon for our collective group. Let's fall in, move out and get it done! 
 

 

[charlie Brown]

Keep this in mind. Our last LUS contract ( section 6 ) took right at 3 years. The company scheduled an average of 1 week per month. Over a 3 year period you are talking 36 weeks of meetings. By the end of June we will have 16 weeks already in the books with 6 additional weeks scheduled by the end of August. By this schedule and comparing it to last negotiations, we will get 3 years of negotiating done within a 12 month period. The company is and seems to be going over every little detail just like us. So It seems we will be dealing with all the issues. I believe the company is referring to a quick agreement by the schedule and not necessarily the issues. A 12 month agreement would be considered quick IMO. Especially bringing two contracts together to make a leading industry deal.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Keep this in mind. Our last LUS contract ( section 6 ) took right at 3 years. The company scheduled an average of 1 week per month. Over a 3 year period you are talking 36 weeks of meetings. By the end of June we will have 16 weeks already in the books with 6 additional weeks scheduled by the end of August. By this schedule and comparing it to last negotiations, we will get 3 years of negotiating done within a 12 month period. The company is and seems to be going over every little detail just like us. So It seems we will be dealing with all the issues. I believe the company is referring to a quick agreement by the schedule and not necessarily the issues. A 12 month agreement would be considered quick IMO. Especially bringing two contracts together to make a leading industry deal.

Based on ta of 17 articles already, our contract talks are much farther along and still suggest a reasonable conclusion. Hopefully, we can come down the backstretch with the additional scheduling of talks. Never know about management but Parker seems to be more fair and trustworthy than previous ceos like horton, seigal, lakefield, etc. Maybe trustworthy isnt the right word , maybe "more credible".

 

[charlie Brown]

Based on ta of 17 articles already, our contract talks are much farther along and still suggest a reasonable conclusion. Hopefully, we can come down the backstretch with the additional scheduling of talks. Never know about management but Parker seems to be more fair and trustworthy than previous ceos like horton, seigal, lakefield, etc. Maybe trustworthy isnt the right word , maybe "more credible".

Maybe more credible. We will see.

 

[Tim Nelson]

From a FB Group

Michael Justiniano "Everyday without a contract is another day of less money in my pocket. And another day where something can go wrong and the chances of all these huge raises they talk about are in jeopardy......"

 

[700UW]

Greed will get people no where, hasn't anyone learned from the UA fiasco?

 

[WeAAsles]

From a FB GroupMichael Justiniano "Everyday without a contract is another day of less money in my pocket. And another day where something can go wrong and the chances of all these huge raises they talk about are in jeopardy......"

Precisely the train of thought that the company hopes we send out there as our negotiators come up on the heavy hitter items of SCOPE, Station Staffing, Medical and other items such as Sick Time, IOD time and Retirement improvements. Not to mention Part Time utilization and caps and longevity of pay scales.

I'm sure that our Negotiators are well aware that there are external forces that can affect the momentum of talks. But I'm also sure that the company has factored in those items and already has a set max amount they expect to spend for our services.

But stonewalling the process for either side is not advantageous for progress but neither is rushing for our own immediate financial gains.

Adding to this comment. I don't think that the FB crowd should sway the direction of the negotiators but they shouldn't be ignored either. They are a huge force and FB continues to grow its numbers and influence.

http://techcrunch.com/2016/01/27/facebook-earnings-q4-2015/

 

[WeAAsles]

Keep this in mind. Our last LUS contract ( section 6 ) took right at 3 years. The company scheduled an average of 1 week per month. Over a 3 year period you are talking 36 weeks of meetings. By the end of June we will have 16 weeks already in the books with 6 additional weeks scheduled by the end of August. By this schedule and comparing it to last negotiations, we will get 3 years of negotiating done within a 12 month period. The company is and seems to be going over every little detail just like us. So It seems we will be dealing with all the issues. I believe the company is referring to a quick agreement by the schedule and not necessarily the issues. A 12 month agreement would be considered quick IMO. Especially bringing two contracts together to make a leading industry deal.

I'm not sure that you can factor that timeline into the equation of these talks CB? The reason being that US management only showed a real willingness to conclude those talks after the final Judge had ruled that the merger would move forward and management knew they would have the ability to afford improvements.

I'd also like to think looking at the progress so far and the aggressiveness of scheduled weeks that it's not going to have to take 12 months? But there has to be a willingness on both sides to continue to progress civilly with the big picture kept in mind. Many of us have been waiting a very long time for this nightmare that we've been living to come to an end. And we do see everyone else progressing now while we're still stagnant. I'd be lying if I didn't say that people are tired and want to finally move forward. Please just keep that in mind as we continue to support all of you and the process.

 

[Racer X]

I wonder if AA has placed this man, Tim Ahern into our talks? Now this man sounds like a go getter. Someone that would know and understand the value behind drawing these talks to the most earliest conclusion possible.

If he's not in these talks, AA upper management really needs to get this man in there IMO.
 
NYCA:  One of the biggest fears with any merger, and it is not only in the airline industry, it happens when any companies merge, the potential is there for layoffs, for attrition due to retirements, how does that position hold for the new American Airlines?

 
TA:  I really think that if you look at what is going on, this is going to be a growth opportunity for us so as you look at the new airplanes coming in, the nice part of having that fleet order is that depending on what happens with demand, we certainly can take the supply and either throttle it up by keeping some of the airplanes that we currently have in the fleet flying or we can throttle back.  The intent of everything that we are looking at is not only to maintain but also to grow.  I know that when you tend to look at merger opportunities that there is some shrinkage, but I think with the new American, you will see we come out with expanded growth.  Now with that said, people will choose to retire from the company.  We have just finished with a town hall meeting with staff and employees and used different roles in the old company to the new company are examples and used that to show that it can be a great outcome and opportunities for everyone going forward.  We need to make sure that we do it right.  Both carriers have a history of mergers in the past and we also have looked at other recent mergers in the industry and we want to take the best out of all those experiences and do it right.  We have formed integration teams, there is an integration office that manages some 29 integration teams throughout the organization and they are looking at everything we do and we are really looking at the best of the best not only between the two carriers but looking at the best of the best in the industry and other industries as well.  This is an opportunity to do some lessons learned and grow upon those lessons learned to have the best team going forward.

http://www.nycaviation.com/2013/12/emerging-details-tim-ahern-talks-new-american-airlines/#.Vzerxum

Ahern IS in there       

 

[WeAAsles]

Ahern IS in there

Well that's some excellent news to hear. I'm sure that Mr Ahern would not be a nitpicky PITA and is well aware of his CEO's ambitions that the old AA managements way of thinking needs to be put on the trash heap. I'm sure that Tim has ingrained that new world thought pattern deeply into his head and the entire process shouldn't take too long if he's wrapped himself in the idea?

I wonder who on the negotiations side for management is being the PITA?

 

[Filter]

Well that's some excellent news to hear. I'm sure that Mr Ahern would not be a nitpicky PITA and is well aware of his CEO's ambitions that the old AA managements way of thinking needs to be put on the trash heap. I'm sure that Tim has ingrained that new world thought pattern deeply into his head and the entire process shouldn't take too long if he's wrapped himself in the idea?
I wonder who on the negotiations side for management is being the PITA?

Ahern is the PITA from my sources...

 

[Tim Nelson]

I'm not sure that you can factor that timeline into the equation of these talks CB? The reason being that US management only showed a real willingness to conclude those talks after the final Judge had ruled that the merger would move forward and management knew they would have the ability to afford improvements.

I'd also like to think looking at the progress so far and the aggressiveness of scheduled weeks that it's not going to have to take 12 months? But there has to be a willingness on both sides to continue to progress civilly with the big picture kept in mind. Many of us have been waiting a very long time for this nightmare that we've been living to come to an end. And we do see everyone else progressing now while we're still stagnant. I'd be lying if I didn't say that people are tired and want to finally move forward. Please just keep that in mind as we continue to support all of you and the process.

I can assure you that if these talks take 3 years, that is unacceptable and I doubt MX allows these 2 unions to stick around, and maybe the same for fleet. It would be the TRUE exception since every other union got the job done.

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

Ahern is the PITA from my sources...

Aw you have got to be kidding! Another one of those "old" AA management types who can't seem to figure it out and get with the program.

Why am I again NOT at all surprised.

And they want to place the blame at our feet that things have changed? Ok yea right. Maybe someone should get him out of there then? Who's really running the show at this airline?

Disappointed. (It never ends with these people)

 

[WeAAsles]

I can assure you that if these talks take 3 years, that is unacceptable and I doubt MX allows these 2 unions to stick around, and maybe the same for fleet. It would be the TRUE exception since every other union got the job done.regards,

12 months = 1 year
24 months = 2 years
36 months = 3 years

CB said your standalone talks took 3 years. He mentioned 12 months or 1 year being somewhat acceptable or seemingly ok for our talks. I think 1 year would be a little overdoing it personally and hope that at most an end of the summer celebration shouldn't be too much to ask (From both sides)

 

[Black Magic]

Keep this in mind. Our last LUS contract ( section 6 ) took right at 3 years. The company scheduled an average of 1 week per month. Over a 3 year period you are talking 36 weeks of meetings. By the end of June we will have 16 weeks already in the books with 6 additional weeks scheduled by the end of August. By this schedule and comparing it to last negotiations, we will get 3 years of negotiating done within a 12 month period. The company is and seems to be going over every little detail just like us. So It seems we will be dealing with all the issues. I believe the company is referring to a quick agreement by the schedule and not necessarily the issues. A 12 month agreement would be considered quick IMO. Especially bringing two contracts together to make a leading industry deal.

 
Yep and in the end of all those years and years of talks, the IAM negotiators wet the bed and brought in the lowest paying contract of the legacy airlines in section 6 while the company brought in the highest profits in history!!  So much for the mighty IAM.  Too bad we don't have any skin in the game now.  You guys got your contract! Quite the screw job if I've ever seen one.