JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Let's face it, putting $6 more in your pocket is significant. I'm sure he is expecting a little love tax in return. Basically, if he gives us the $6 raise and then makes us pay for our bonus, like at United, then just about any contract will pass. It's important for our negotiation team to have enough wisdom to figure out what not to leave at the table. Obviously, me and you disagreed about United as I believe they left too early as I believe the money at United was already there and not going anywhere. As it is, we could actually see a pay raise before United since they front loaded a bonus by delaying their pay raises for 8 months. Either way, nobody can argue about the money much. But I'm assuming just about any TA will pass if you put a bonus check in front of peeps with a ratification sometime prior to thanksgiving. Not advocating it, but just saying.regards,

Tim I'll give you this. Even though they weren't in Section 6 yet could they "maybe" have held back and squeezed a little more juice out of that Lemon? Sure, absolutely. Why not. But with that Hedge fund breathing down their necks it's just my opinion that they were better off on that one getting the hell in and out as fast as possible.

I think they also lived enough of a nightmare under that criminal Smisek and just maybe wanted to get all that into the rear view? Trying to put myself in their shoes is why I said I would have jumped on it.

But you have to admit that we should gain some advantage from the improvements to what they had.

And I agree with what you said to ograc too. I can see a grandfathering absolutely.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim I'll give you this. Even though they weren't in Section 6 yet could they "maybe" have held back and squeezed a little more juice out of that Lemon? Sure, absolutely. Why not. But with that Hedge fund breathing down their necks it's just my opinion that they were better off on that one getting the hell in and out as fast as possible.

I think they also lived enough of a nightmare under that criminal Smisek and just maybe wanted to get all that into the rear view? Trying to put myself in their shoes is why I said I would have jumped on it.

But you have to admit that we should gain some advantage from the improvements to what they had.

And I agree with what you said to ograc too. I can see a grandfathering absolutely.

I'm not sure if it will come down to a proper either/or situation, but if it does, I think we should protect and secure the members and stations we have prior to opening up new ones. For instance, we could have opened up IAH for the unborn but instead the offer was to keep about 8 stations that get limited flight activity. Clearly, in these talks, the IAH, DTW, RSW's will be included, but there may also be some either/or situations, and if so, I think we should protect the stations we have. That could involve grandfathering as a sorta compromise like the CWA did.

regards,

 

[ograc]

Education and leadership. Our leaders are suppose to have our backs and they should know since I don't think anyone in negotiations has been employed here less than 25 years.

That said, it doesn't always work out that way. At $30, a TA will almost certainly pass, regardless of what else is contained unless it is really awful. I do think that the senior peeps in the smaller stations will have grandfather rights as the CWA folks do. That is important cuz nobody should lose work that survived bankruptcy twice.

regards,

 
Education of the membership and respectful leadership is the key. I believe and hope, the Association NC, representing both groups, understand the consequences of their collective decisions in negotiations. The goal should be long term gain. That begins with protecting existing work and established benefits. If we, as a membership, can adopt this mindset, we are on the brink of obtaining a positive JCBA. Educating the membership begins respectful dialogue. The floor is, respectfully, open for discussion Sisters and Brothers.  

 

[Worldport]

Tim I'll give you this. Even though they weren't in Section 6 yet could they "maybe" have held back and squeezed a little more juice out of that Lemon? Sure, absolutely. Why not. But with that Hedge fund breathing down their necks it's just my opinion that they were better off on that one getting the hell in and out as fast as possible.

I think they also lived enough of a nightmare under that criminal Smisek and just maybe wanted to get all that into the rear view? Trying to put myself in their shoes is why I said I would have jumped on it.

But you have to admit that we should gain some advantage from the improvements to what they had.

And I agree with what you said to ograc too. I can see a grandfathering absolutely.

Sorry Weez this is more boring than waiting on a DMV line, when is Bob coming back from vacation. Did you soil your new couch yet? 

 

[WeAAsles]

I'm not sure if it will come down to a proper either/or situation, but if it does, I think we should protect and secure the members and stations we have prior to opening up new ones. For instance, we could have opened up IAH for the unborn but instead the offer was to keep about 8 stations that get limited flight activity. Clearly, in these talks, the IAH, DTW, RSW's will be included, but there may also be some either/or situations, and if so, I think we should protect the stations we have. That could involve grandfathering as a sorta compromise like the CWA did.

regards,

Well I'm going to post this here link to what my Christmas wish list would be. These 30 cities if you don't already have some of them currently staffed being brought back into the fold. 

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/files/usair-fleet-sheet-v.2.pdf

Of particular interest to me would be MEM. My buddy Greg got knocked out of there and commutes from DFW. I met Greg in DFW. He had moved there to get FT. It took him 10 years to get back into MEM with a FT job. Then here comes the BK and Greg get's whacked out of there along with 12 other people and it was outsourced. 

I'd like my friend Greg to go home soon.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sorry Weez this is more boring than waiting on a DMV line, when is Bob coming back from vacation. Did you soil your new couch yet? 

Agreed but you know that Tim and I don't do this very often and more than likely it won't last too long. It never does.

 

[Worldport]

Well I'm going to post this here link to what my Christmas wish list would be. These 30 cities if you don't already have some of them currently staffed being brought back into the fold. 

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/files/usair-fleet-sheet-v.2.pdf

Of particular interest to me would be MEM. My buddy Greg got knocked out of there and commutes from DFW. I met Greg in DFW. He had moved there to get FT. It took him 10 years to get back into MEM with a FT job. Then here comes the BK and Greg get's whacked out of there along with 12 other people and it was outsourced. 

I'd like my friend Greg to go home soon.

I'll bet you the cities they grandfather in the new contract will offset the cities they were supposed to staff or restaff

 

[Worldport]

Agreed but you know that Tim and I don't do this very often and more than likely it won't last too long. It never does.

Hope you're not going to stop off and buy a 12 pack of 64s. I've never seen them up here might be a Chicago test market

 

[Tim Nelson]

Well I'm going to post this here link to what my Christmas wish list would be. These 30 cities if you don't already have some of them currently staffed being brought back into the fold. 

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/files/usair-fleet-sheet-v.2.pdf

Of particular interest to me would be MEM. My buddy Greg got knocked out of there and commutes from DFW. I met Greg in DFW. He had moved there to get FT. It took him 10 years to get back into MEM with a FT job. Then here comes the BK and Greg get's whacked out of there along with 12 other people and it was outsourced. 

I'd like my friend Greg to go home soon.

Is that the last TA you guys voted on? What happened? I remember Parker cutting a deal with the TWU and listing all those stations in addition to the larger ones like MIA, ORD, etc. I noticed that ORD cargo wasn't included though in that list unless it was included in the greater TA and not the term sheet.

What was the history of losing this or didn't you guys ever vote on it?

regards,

 

[WeAAsles]

Is that the last TA you guys voted on? What happened? I remember Parker cutting a deal with the TWU and listing all those stations in addition to the larger ones like MIA, ORD, etc. I noticed that ORD cargo wasn't included though in that list unless it was included in the greater TA and not the term sheet.What was the history of losing this or didn't you guys ever vote on it?regards,

Those were all items in the original "ask" by the company when that was first presented to us when the BK started. A lot of it got whittled down through the process. But the big losses were a few cities, cabin service, an increase in our medical cost percentage and the BIGGIE our pension being frozen.

That MOU was a long shot. If Parker had initiated a successful hostile takeover before what we eventually agreed to was implemented, we would have went off of that instead.

Again it was a long shot but also why we currently have a 5.5% match instead of the 3% in the MOU. And raises happened as well with the "me too" and then the TWU accepted the 4.3% raise in exchange for the PS.

Trust me it's complicated trying to remember it all even for me sometimes.

 

[WeAAsles]

I'll bet you the cities they grandfather in the new contract will offset the cities they were supposed to staff or restaff

I'm not going to take that bet but if I did I'd really hope to win that you're wrong?

We'll see?

 

[WeAAsles]

Hope you're not going to stop off and buy a 12 pack of 64s. I've never seen them up here might be a Chicago test market

I drink Guinness. Been to the brewery in Ireland and even named my AKC registered black lab Guinness Tiberious.

 

[Worldport]

I drink Guinness. Been to the brewery in Ireland and even named my AKC registered black lab Guinness Tiberious.

I've never been to Ireland but being of Norwegian descent my ancestors did visit from time to time, although they weren't welcome. I was under the impression that the people of Ireland drank Murphys 

 

[ograc]

We all seem to agree that jobs and current work should be protected in the future JCBA. The challenge is the definition and interpretation of protection. Does current work and job protection mean current stations already staffed with IAM or TWU represented below wing are grandfathered? Does current work and job protection mean chase a job in another location or accept furlough out of your home station? Watch the details on this issue. How it is defined. How it will be presented.

 

[WeAAsles]

We all seem to agree that jobs and current work should be protected in the future JCBA. The challenge is the definition and interpretation of protection. Does current work and job protection mean current stations already staffed with IAM or TWU represented below wing are grandfathered? Does current work and job protection mean chase a job in another location or accept furlough out of your home station? Watch the details on this issue. How it is defined. How it will be presented.

How are we supposed to know how it's presented from either side? We're not in the room.

But ograc I can tell you for a 100% certainty that those negotiators absolutely have at least every current station on their minds and then some. As a matter of fact 5 of the 6 Presidents who are negotiating on the TWU side are small station Presidents.

That should give you a small measure of comfort for your station being considered.