Thomas Paine
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So they had to push out the USAIR plane to pull in the WN?700UW said:
It's time to sign a AMFA card
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AMFAinMIAMI
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Thomas PaineThomas Paine said:
Not sure if you work at AA or USAir, or neither. at AA the company stopped all the pensions. At US they have a company paid IAMNPF, which equates to approx $2.00 an hr placed into the pension. This comes to approx $4000.00 give or take a yr.
This is what I have been told by USAirways mechanics.
As much as the US mechanics may not want to believe this AA will once the JCBA is agreed too, AA will stop paying into the IAM pension. When ever that is, just like ours here at AA it will be frozen, and will not accrue any further. The IAM has been telling these Guys at USAirways that if they change to AMFA they will loose their pension which is a BIG LIE.
Even if you quit, get fired, you can't loose your pension.
I am not saying I know what is going to happen for sure but why would AA stop, Pilots/F/A/TWU and then pay the 3000 mechanics or so IAM guys pensions?
"YES" I know that they have ramp and what ever at US but we are hoping that the mechanics will join with us to rid AA of the alliance. TWU/IAM agreement.
We heard today that the multiplier for dues is higher at US. So if one of the US guys who reads this can tell us how much the dues multiplier is, it will help?
Some thing else heard today is that if you are at a IAM station and a former TWU represented employee, which now under the assoc. will be represented by the IAM.
The former TWU member will loose their LTD (long Term Disability) from the TWU.
If the company (new AA) will offer LTD or it will be done from another source we will have to wait and see. AA does provide option for STD ( short Term Disability)
What does USAirways do for LTD? Who is the provider? This may only concern states that do not have state disability taxes.( FL. ) is one. States that have these taxes have state disability. ( CALF. ) for example...
Lets not take any chance and let any of this foolishness happen, Do you believe the IAM is really going to LQQK out for you if this alliance happens?
If you don't then join with us the mechanics at AA, sign an AMFA card, and lets work toward a JCBA to improve our class and craft. It's your career and your families future.
The IAM and TWU are NOT and will NOT look out for our best interest.
AMFA at AA 2014
It has nothing to do with a station, the PMUS IAM members will still be under the IAM CBA, and then a JCBA which the IAM will negotiate the IAMNPF for TWU members.
You know this already.
Its in the Alliance Agreement.
You know this already.
Its in the Alliance Agreement.
You mean the PMHP plane, Aeroman has work because of the former HP having a CBA, and it took two bankruptcies for US to be able to farm out work.Thomas Paine said:
US doesnt and cant farmout line maintenance, and 50% of billable hours of Heavy must be done in-house.
And which is better, no line farmout, 50% of heavy done in-house or what you have at AA and the TWU that can farmout 35% of the total maintenance budget?
Do you need a hint?
US/IAM CBA scope is way better than the AA/TWU Scope.
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How about you do your own homework?. You can get the IAM contract online. Look it up yourself. It's not that hard. IAM is here to stay so you will have to deal with that......AMFAinMIAMI said:
There are only about 4-5 guys who post here that want AMFA....and one of them works for WN...... over at US?.....ain't gonna happen !
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Mike33mike33 said:
You maybe right on the number of guys who actually post here at US. But we have to hope that more are reading and that will get them thinking and maybe involved in the process, instead of just side line sitting. Don't you want every one to be involved and not just the few who can spin things the way they want it. Do you want the guy you dislike in the union at US, who you think is screwing you, to effect your bottom line and career for the rest of your airline time?
Using your way of thinking, are you telling us that the number of guys under the IAM are going to sway the number of guys under the TWU to switch to the IAM. Either we get AMFA in at AA, or the TWU will win out. "YES" there are some here that say anyone but not the TWU. But are they going to switch to the iAM and give up work rules they have had for yrs, to go with the iAm just because you guys have the IAM.
What ever union is at AA is going to be the union, this alliance is just to keep the dues flowing to both until they get time to sort it all out after the single carrier status is done.
Once (the alliance) and company get the integration worked out which could be yrs. The alliance will be dissolved,
AA is not going to bargain with two different unions for the same work group. Think about it. ???? Don't you think the faster we get one bargaining unit in place the faster the process will be. Fighting which union and work rules and benefits, will only keep us all from moving fwd and having a better life for our families.
Your scope may be better, you have more holidays, and vacation, but we are paid more. Why is DP not giving US a new contract, he's offering what 1% maybe a bit more. He's looking at the big picture and saying what? That what we have and what you have are the same the money is just in different places. Ours is in pay, your is in Benefits.
just look at the pass riding rules, will be done the AA way. Now they are cutting work from AA since US doesn't do it that way. example the QA dept on the "B" checks.
It's all about the bottom line dollar, profit to them NOT for us. The Name on the aircraft says American. AA is bigger the mgmt will be USAirways the way they operate will be dictated by AA's board of Directors.
What ever happens in the next yr or two there is going to be big changes. Both AA and US employees won't have the same security of knowing that what we are accustomed to is and always will be. Since as airline employees we are reluctant to change. the old ways are good in one sense but the biz is changing and if we don't adapt to those changes we will get run over. Corporate america has destroyed the unions in our industry. They have taken away the self help (strike). The courts side with mgmt.
As you walk in/out of your break rooms just how many guys are really talking about what's going on. About the alliance, and what it means. Most don't even care any more, it's the same way at AA.
It's time to work together toward one goal get a new union in place brake this alliance, bring in a new way of thinking and make it better for all the mechanics at the new AA.
AMFA at AA in 2014
Didn't the last proposal at USAir offer a 1% raise and a reduction in holidays? This is obvious that AA wants parity of both parties. So where is the big talk about Best Maintenance and best airline when they offered the USAir guys a concession? It is obvious that the NEW AA wants nothing more than cheap labor and outsource what ever they want to save even more. The Two unions could care less about its members as long as the dues keep flowing. The TWU has allowed outsourcing of specific work at AA and also transfered work from Aircraft Maintenance to ramp services. I see what USAir has allowed to be outsourced or work transfered out of maintenance over to the ramp. Just think of all the damage the TWU and the IAM will do in future dealings with the company. The TWU has allowed PS checks, A checks and ECO's to be performed in South American cities. We lost CFP and MAARS work to South America. We lost deicing, push backs, fueling and just recently Quality Assurance of oversight on our widebody B checks. Our heavies are farmed out. What else will the TWU give away? Work being outsourced or transfered over to ramp will lead to lose of jobs. Fellow AMT's will be displaced to other stations and many will hit the streets. Is this what unionism is all about? All this under the TWU's watch. Is the IAM any better? Again I will say that it is about dues money, not the best interest of the members who pay dues for little to no proper representation.
I cannot believe this post has gone unanswered for so long.700UW said:
700, you or the IAM can say they will negotiate anything at the JCBA. Does not mean it will get put in the contract. The company would have to agree for it to go into contract. I cannot see AA doing so just after a multi multi million if not billion dollar BK and spending alot of time on the pensions that also included numerous suits aside from the BK cost involved, I just don't see it happening.
On a second note (not directing this statement directly at you 700-just FYI). The guys that are out here saying the US guys will lose their pensions is wrong, you will keep your pensions just as they are right now, until they are handled during the JCBA talks. Then, worse case scenerio, they would freeze and move all future savings for retirement into a 401K. Now, yes this would have to be negotiated in as well, but the company would be much, much more willing to do a 401K than a pension. I would also like to reinerate that no-one should allow any union to control or run any pension. They (the union) will use the scare tactic (just like the IAM is now at US). Also the unions put way too many restrictions on recieving said pension payments if work continue work in anyone of the listed industries they have which includes your industry plus many many more if you were to return to work after retirement, now that is just flat out stupid.
I also think the threat of the pensions are losing alot of ground now as most have looked into it by now with all the talk of union drives at AA. Because I will assure you all this, since the teamster, TWU and company fiascoe has been brought to light now, there is a huge draw for AMFA at AA, and when AMFA gets in at AA, it will be a no brainer that after JCBA the entire new AA will be AMFA. Good luck to you guys and hope to see AMFA at AA in 2014...
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Time to fire the TWU, they have failed us once again1AA said:
I have some points I want to make regarding pensions. The IAM pension is much different than pensions set up by corporations. Bankruptcy laws for Corporations are a sham and allows them to screw everyone. Most pensions by Corporations would allow deferrals which doesn't happen with the IAM pension. Like a 401k, the IAM pension gets regular payments with no deferrals which makes it better. I will say that any pension is a risk like any other investment. My preference in any negotiations would be to get a 401k match and the IAM pension. Lastly, IMO the IAM pension will survive the alliance contracts for maintenance and fleet at the new AA. Logic tells you that US dropped their pension but agreed to the IAM pension negotiated soon after the demise of the US pensions in bankruptcy. DP is the CEO of the new AA and will negotiate pensions in our integrated cbas.
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P. REZ said:
P.rez
Explain the Logic you speek of just because DP negotiated with the IAM to give them a pension, you think he will do the same once the two companies merge
and we work toward a JCBA? Then he would have to do it for the Pilots and the F/A. AA just killed them for all work groups why would you think he would restart them?
Our 401k at 5.5% match pays better at yrs end so why would we want to limit our money to approx $4000.00 per yr.
Please explain?
AMFAinmia you are wrong.
M&R have no language that the money that goes into the IAMNPF will go into a 401k if they vote the IAM out, Fleet has that language.
And you have no idea what will be in a JCBA, yet you say I say things you say the same.
Right now the IAMNPF is part of the IAM CBA, it wont change till it is negotiated or the the IAM gets voted out.
And DP agreed to the pension for M&R in 2008, yet the flight attendants have a new CBA, the pilots have a MOU, yet neither of them got a Defined Benefit Plan in those agreements.
So once again you dont know what happened at US and you are wrong, the pilots and fas didnt get a DBP at all and maintenance, fleet and maintenance trainers all have a DBP in the IAMNPF.
M&R have no language that the money that goes into the IAMNPF will go into a 401k if they vote the IAM out, Fleet has that language.
And you have no idea what will be in a JCBA, yet you say I say things you say the same.
Right now the IAMNPF is part of the IAM CBA, it wont change till it is negotiated or the the IAM gets voted out.
And DP agreed to the pension for M&R in 2008, yet the flight attendants have a new CBA, the pilots have a MOU, yet neither of them got a Defined Benefit Plan in those agreements.
So once again you dont know what happened at US and you are wrong, the pilots and fas didnt get a DBP at all and maintenance, fleet and maintenance trainers all have a DBP in the IAMNPF.
