It's Time For All Unions To Stick Together

[A Baby Ate My Dingo]

message for union workers:
go back to school!! u arnt gonna find a job in this industry. I know most of you are mid to late 40s +. No one will hire you, they will see US Air on the resume and say we dont want these bandits!I knwo McDonalds is always hiring shift supervisors.

[post="180507"][/post]​

Yes, good point. I've got a BMW 325 and a Lexus RX-300 that need oil changes every 3,000 - 4,000 miles or so. So, if any of you mechanics need to earn an extra $5 or $10, please PM me. I can also work out a deal for barter - I've got plenty of canned corn and ramen available.

 

[us0004us]

just can not believe some one is making strike signs that state "we won"

like some say ,find another job if you are unhappy...

good luck

 

[Segue]

You have been playing hardball - thats why you are in the position you are now!! Maybe its time to stop playing ball games.

 

[Oliver Twist]

Strike? Sure. Have fun. Watch the place burn to the ground. The best and brightest won't be around to join you. They'll be employed elsewhere.

[post="180430"][/post]​

Oh my! That was a good one!! By the way, some of us already are employed elsewhere.

 

[Kev3188]

It's real great that you all have spent 2 pages worth of posts bashing this guy for standing up for what he believes in. Special points to Itrade for going out of his/her way to atagonize him not once, but twice. What are you, six? (putting on flame suit) Okay, let 'er rip....

 

[BostonTerrier]

It's real great that you all have spent 2 pages worth of posts bashing this guy for standing up for what he believes in. Special points to Itrade for going out of his/her way to atagonize him not once, but twice. What are you, six? (putting on flame suit) Okay, let 'er rip....

[post="180598"][/post]​

Let's use some common sense here.

The company is holding on by a thread.
If the creditors even sniff the possibility of a strike, game over.
The unions are still behaving like they have leverage, which they do, but only in direct relationship to how strongly management ( and the creditors) wants to avoid liquidation. And that is a variable that could change at any moment.

This airline will be padlocked before anyone even gets the chance to pick up a strike ballot.

 

[BoeingBoy]

"This airline will be padlocked before anyone even gets the chance to pick up a strike ballot."

That's assuming that there isn't a "run on the bank" by the creditors first...

Jim

 

[BostonTerrier]

"This airline will be padlocked before anyone even gets the chance to pick up a strike ballot."

That's assuming that there isn't a "run on the bank" by the creditors first...

Jim

[post="180608"][/post]​

I regret if I didn't make that clear, but that was what I meant to imply.

Best,
BT

 

[GadgetFreak]

Even if all of the unions showed up at headquarters tomorrow and said they would accept the cuts there would still be a reasonable change of liquidation. Maybe even a strong likelihood of liquidation. If there was a strike management wouldnt be able to do anything but turn out the lights even if they wanted to. The unions have essentially placed themselves in a position where they have virtually no leverage and are, as near as they can be, complete pawns in the dance between management and the creditors. This was pretty close to 100% predictable but there seems to have been an enormous amount of self delusion out there, and perhaps there still is.

 

[28yrsnojob]

THE STAND IS CLOSED .FULL PAY TO THE LAST DAY

 

[BoeingBoy]

Bob,

"What tools do you have in your tool bag that can fix the fundamental problems?"

That's just it, Bob. Labor has never had the tools that could fix the fundamental problems. Management had them all, and chose not to use them - wanted to keep them nice and shiney new, I guess.

That is why we are at this point at this time. And it's my firm belief that U is already dead - it just hasn't fallen over yet. But the slightest push......

Jim

 

[PITbull]

Even if all of the unions showed up at headquarters tomorrow and said they would accept the cuts there would still be a reasonable change of liquidation. Maybe even a strong likelihood of liquidation. If there was a strike management wouldnt be able to do anything but turn out the lights even if they wanted to. The unions have essentially placed themselves in a position where they have virtually no leverage and are, as near as they can be, complete pawns in the dance between management and the creditors. This was pretty close to 100% predictable but there seems to have been an enormous amount of self delusion out there, and perhaps there still is.

[post="180635"][/post]​

You know what gadget, the employees of this airline knew and know the risks. Only the few that post here and some employees who never prepared themselves on any level for these risks are in a panick. Labor WILL NOT lower the bar to accomodate those who never ever prepared. Sorry charlie.

In themeantime, labor will continue to negotiate until they come up with tentative agreements that members can live with for the next 5 years, OR until the judge tells us to stop.

Hope for the best; but expect the worst.

 

[GadgetFreak]

You know what gadget, the employees of this airline knew and know the risks. Only the few that post here and some employees who never prepared themselves on any level for these risks are in a panick. Labor WILL NOT lower the bar to accomodate those who never ever prepared. Sorry charlie.


Hope for the best; but expect the worst.

[post="180707"][/post]​

A digression. This is really weird, when I quote PitBull it shows some additional text that isnt there when I look at it without quoting. Hmmm.

In any case, labor will lower the bar or everyone will lose their jobs. Period. There is no winning at this point. The positions of labor, at least as represented by the vocal ones here can no longer be supported by the industry, period. It is no longer possible. It can change in a variety of ways, as BoeingBoy pointed out, but it will change. You can strut and say it wont happen but it will and there isnt a thing you can do about it. You can try to work with management, even though they are mostly idiots, and whomever else is willing to help to come up with a plan to make it work with the best outcome possible for everyone or you can come on here and wind people up and say things like in your post or "full pay until the last day" as others put it. But if that is how someone felt they really should just quit and let the people who want to try to accomplish something rather than destroy something take their best shot at it. It is a longshot even with those working at the company trying. If people think that they dont want to participate in saving the company fair enough, but they should at least have the decency not to destroy what little opportunity that others have to save the company. The behavior of a lot of the people here is no different in its most basic elements than a 9 year old taking his bat home if he cant play second base. The only difference is that it is really going to hurt some people.

 

[Groucho]

Please let me have a hit off that pipe your smoking.... It must be good to adjust your attitude that far out.

 

[DCD]

"A digression. This is really weird, when I quote PitBull it shows some additional text that isnt there when I look at it without quoting. Hmmm.
In any case, labor will lower the bar or everyone will lose their jobs." Will you be crying the same blues if a Walmart is forced out of business because its employees are forcing pay increases? What's to worry, those who are willing to work for nothing will always be given another opportunity.