It's official!

[FWAAA]

Term of the JCBA is five years.   The contract is the same as the TA except for Compensation.  
 

AWARD
 
1. The JCBA between American Airlines and the Association of Professional Flight Attendants shall be as follows:
 
a. All terms of the September 19, 2014 Tentative Agreement except Section 3 (Compensation), Paragraph A.
 
b. Compensation shall be in accordance with the table attached hereto as Appendix E, to be effective January 1, 2015.
 
c. The effective date of the JCBA shall be December 13, 2014, the date of issuance of this arbitration award. The implementation of the provisions shall be as specified in a letter of implementation agreed upon by the parties consistent with the provisions of the implementation letter of the JCBA.

 
https://www.apfa.org/images/arbitration/AA-APFA-JCBA-Award-and-appdx.pdf

 

[bigjets]

What about the hard 40?

 

[FWAAA]

I believe that the "hard 40" is back, because the waiver of that rule was contained in a LOA dated October 18, and thus was not part of the original Sept 19 TA (which is the new contract).

 

[etops1]

Hard 40 stays . LUS FA still get the $3000 health insurance offset .

 

[AANOTOK]

Term of the JCBA is five years.   The contract is the same as the TA except for Compensation.  
 
 
https://www.apfa.org/images/arbitration/AA-APFA-JCBA-Award-and-appdx.pdf

So is this what Bob would have voted no for?

 

[Toothy Grin]

Hard 40 stays?? Hmmm...looks like there will be alot of 'early' retirements coming up.  I bet there are alot of peple who will not be used to working a 40 hour month.

 

[bigjets]

I guess the theory of, DP took out the hard 40, he'll move on other items. Didn't pan out.

Yep bob thought it would be better to vote down TA, because delta FA's might be making more in 2 years.


Hopefully the goofs that didn't vote, will now have to work or leave AA, because they couldn't vote for that TA as it was.

 

[Bob Owens]

IMO a union shouldn't fight to keep a job a part time job. If you want to be considered "professional" then it should be a full time job where you seek full time compensation and full time benefits. Part timers hurt the profession because they aren't "all in". 

 

[CMH_GSE]

Stunning.
Essentially the same contract as the TA, with less pay across the board.

Would love to hear some rationale from no voters only, because going into the vote, with all things considered, the binding arbitration being restricted to a certain amount, you had to vote yes or else this result was a mathematical certainty.

Going forward, the mechanic group has no such deal on binding arbitration. We also currently have no idea who will be doing the negotiating, so there's that.

Hello, NMB, anybody home?

 

[Bob Owens]

So is this what Bob would have voted no for?

They never even made the argument for a shorter term. Sad. That argument would not have conflicted with the NPA like the Internal Me Too clauses. 
 
Well at least they got the option to do like we have done for decades, let other Unions negotiate improvements and ride off off them. FWAAA left that part of the decision out for some reason. 
 
So when the AFA argues for a better contract and the company cites the APFA contract the AFA can cite the fact that their demands wont put UAL at a huge disadvantage because the AA contract will be adjusted per the "Market Aggregate" clause in the APFA deal. The AFA can also cite that the terms under which the APFA contract were structured were determined while the company was in Bankruptcy and that conditions for both companies are radically different in the present. 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

IMO a union shouldn't fight to keep a job a part time job. If you want to be considered "professional" then it should be a full time job where you seek full time compensation and full time benefits. Part timers hurt the profession because they aren't "all in". 

I hate to tell you this Bob but with CS's you have a LOT of full time employees not "all in" either.

 

[Bob Owens]

I hate to tell you this Bob but with CS's you have a LOT of full time employees not "all in" either.

No argument there but I believe they cant CS away more than half their time. A full timer still has to work at least 80 hours per month. 

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

"This constraint is critical to the Board's response in the instant case: The market-based average of $112 million represents, substantively and procedurally, a strict prohibition on the Board's authority to enhance the economic terms of the prospective deal. Otherwise stated, we can change the shape of the pot, but, in accordance with the marketbased standard, we cannot sweeten it."

They were in a box. That one is going to sting for 5 plus years unless United F/A's get a good deal and increase the market based aggregate.

 

[Bob Owens]

"This constraint is critical to the Board's response in the instant case: The market-based average of $112 million represents, substantively and procedurally, a strict prohibition on the Board's authority to enhance the economic terms of the prospective deal. Otherwise stated, we can change the shape of the pot, but, in accordance with the marketbased standard, we cannot sweeten it."

They were in a box. That one is going to sting for 5 plus years unless United F/A's get a good deal and increase the market based aggregate.

Exactly, they should have argued for a shorter term not to sweeten the pot. A shorter term contract would have left a more open field for the AFA at ual

 

[kirkpatrick]

We should have accepted it as it was.   There was no need to attempt to get a shorter term. 
 
Quag, we're locked in now for five years.  The "market aggregate" no longer means anything.  It doesn't matter at this point what anyone else gets.  It will "sting" for longer than five years since our next contract will start from a lower floor.
 
MK