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boston said:
I saw the same thing during the last hiring round. 1/2 or 2 /1/2 years into it and some are jaded miserable people with endless rants at a level that takes 10-15 years for most to achieve.
She probably was accurate with the "I know how to interview" statement. It's a talent that can mask the miserable whiny traits.
I'd also bet she will interview well for a husband. Probably her best career move if she picks her target correctly.
jimntx
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Unfortunately, the movie version of flight attendant still prevails with those not in the business. A few days training, then off to layovers in London, Paris, and Rome.
End of movie: marriage to an impossibly rich guy.
Reality: 5-6 weeks of unpaid training. 6 months of probation with limited benefits. Then layovers in London, Paris, and Rome...New London, Ct, Paris, Tx, and Rome, Ga. (And, the rich guy travels in a private jet. Not on one of our S80s.
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And, the disgruntled ones act like we lied to them during the interviews.
End of movie: marriage to an impossibly rich guy.
Reality: 5-6 weeks of unpaid training. 6 months of probation with limited benefits. Then layovers in London, Paris, and Rome...New London, Ct, Paris, Tx, and Rome, Ga. (And, the rich guy travels in a private jet. Not on one of our S80s.
)And, the disgruntled ones act like we lied to them during the interviews.
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>> Each FA just lost 17k per year in contract improvements <<
Not quite. 82 million divided by 24,500 is $3347 per year, or 16,735 over the term of the contract.
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Not quite. 82 million divided by 24,500 is $3347 per year, or 16,735 over the term of the contract.
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>> The union has to bear responsibility for negotiating something they could not effectively communicate to their members. <<
I think they did a very good job. They had road shows where every aspect of the contract was clearly spelled out. They sent out emails and YouTube videos of various people explaining in detail all kinds of scenarios. You have to realize what we're dealing with here - emotion. Talking to them was like talking to a wall. Screaming, yelling, blind hate and a total lack of rationality. You probably don't have access to the Facebook pages where it all came out. I can honestly say I did not hear one single coherent argument in favor of a no vote. They listed their demands for everything from profit sharing to company paid diaper services for their children. It was amazing. The more negative people were the louder the pep rally got.
Yes voters were accused of being stupid company shills who "drank the Kool Aid"; sniveling weasels who would "bend over and take whatever the company and union sent their way. It was shameful. Now they're all patting themselves on the back congratulating each other on how strong they were and how the fight has just begun.
There is no fight, there will be no fight, and we all will pay the price for their inability to grasp reality.
MK
I think they did a very good job. They had road shows where every aspect of the contract was clearly spelled out. They sent out emails and YouTube videos of various people explaining in detail all kinds of scenarios. You have to realize what we're dealing with here - emotion. Talking to them was like talking to a wall. Screaming, yelling, blind hate and a total lack of rationality. You probably don't have access to the Facebook pages where it all came out. I can honestly say I did not hear one single coherent argument in favor of a no vote. They listed their demands for everything from profit sharing to company paid diaper services for their children. It was amazing. The more negative people were the louder the pep rally got.
Yes voters were accused of being stupid company shills who "drank the Kool Aid"; sniveling weasels who would "bend over and take whatever the company and union sent their way. It was shameful. Now they're all patting themselves on the back congratulating each other on how strong they were and how the fight has just begun.
There is no fight, there will be no fight, and we all will pay the price for their inability to grasp reality.
MK
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If 6.a states value in the aggregate and Glading is saying the rejected TA is worth $82M more (in the aggregate) that means she is agreeing with the Company's figures. Shouldn't the APFA be arguing that the Company's valuations are wrong in arbitration?
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kirkpatrick said:
+1
I honestly don't know how to fight emotion-based irrational people in this era of social media.
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Still not chump change. Also, I think the article was updated to show the misprint. 24 hours later and I am still shocked I work with some seriously thick headed people who couldn't see the light with a flashlight in their face!
jimntx
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No, it means she is agreeing with her calculator and known (by the union and the company) rates and benefits at other airlines. Try to imagine the possibility that not everything the company says is a lie. In reality, because of the "market in the aggregate" stipulation, I imagine the company is happy as a pig in slop that the whole thing will end up in an arbitrator's lap, and the arbitrator is constrained by the law and the agreement to finding an award that is millions of dollars less than the TA. All they have to do now is get through the mediation period without seeming to "negotiate in bad faith."Overspeed said:
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Those figures are right, they all agreed to it.
There is no mediation, it goes to final and binding arbitration and your group will be stuck with the arbiter's ruling.
https://www.apfa.org/images/negotiations/negotiations-protocol-agreement-2014.pdf
Read Section A, Paragraph 5.
There is no mediation, it goes to final and binding arbitration and your group will be stuck with the arbiter's ruling.
https://www.apfa.org/images/negotiations/negotiations-protocol-agreement-2014.pdf
Read Section A, Paragraph 5.
jimntx
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And, what really sets them off on a tirade is to try to confuse them with facts. These people did not attend the road shows. They already had a highly reliable source of information about the TA from their next door neighbor's best friend's hairdresser's second cousin who read an article in the paper a year ago about the contract negotiations.AdAstraPerAspera said:
jimntx
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You are wrong. Read the last sentence in Paragraph 5. "Prior to arbitration, the parties shall utilize mediation."700UW said:
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