It's official!

[NYer]

quite simply you should not have to give up profit sharing.... and AA employees cannot be compensated comparably to the rest of the industry without including profit sharing. AA mgmt. simply will not increase fixed salaries to the levels of profit sharing that other carriers are getting.

AA FAs clearly saw the error of APFA's calculations when they tried to say they were getting equivalency to DL's profit sharing... they were getting at best a fraction.

 
You're right. I don't know where we'd be if we didn't get profit sharing in 2003.

 

[Bob Owens]

Learn to read, jackass. I said everyone here.

Last time I checked, Parker and the union leaders aren't posting here.

How did you check?
 
Years ago a guy out of Tulsa was sueing the company. as part of the lawsuit the company had to release certain documents. He forwarded stuff he got about me that has my emploee number. station, wife and kids info etc on it.

 

[texflyer]

So after 36 pages, I surmise that the FA's voted down a segment leading (?) contract due to the fact it did not have profit sharing? And now they expect the arbitrator to give them a "better" contract than one negotiated?..............And some here thinks that good? I can see how would split the FA employee group into a couple factions, especially the former US FAs who have been so underpaid for so long liking the terms of the contract, only to be kicked in the teeth by the larger AA FA group. And what about those in the AA FA group that wanted the contract but lost by the skin of their teeth. And the "No" group must be verrrrrrrrrrrrrry popular today in the employee lounge, if any of them would admit to voting NO in the first place.
 
What do I know, I am just a frequent flyer, but from the outside looking in, this is what it seems.

 

[700UW]

http://us1.campaign-archive2.com/?u=1450c9c25bd3b5096022a9f71&id=29ddbcbf2e
 

APFA leadership, members of the Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) and APFA’s arbitration attorneys met in Washington, D.C., today for final preparations ahead of tomorrow’s interest arbitration. APFA is prepared to achieve the best arbitration award possible within the parameters of the NPA in order to deliver a mid-contract improvement of $112 million above the current combined contracts’ value.

APFA will provide updates from the arbitration throughout the next few days.
 
Q: Why were cuts only taken out of wages?
A: In order to equalize the joint contract and achieve parity between the two legacy work groups, the APFA leadership and the JNC took the value out of the wage scale alone. Any other cut (i.e. health care, 401(k), premium pay, sick or vacation) would have created an imbalance between LAA and LUS in the resulting joint contract.

As a reminder, the arbitration award must meet the following parameters in accordance with the NPA:
1) Equal to market based in the aggregate; and
2) Greater than the value of the LAA current contract as applied to pre-merger LAA Flight Attendants; and
3) Greater than the value of the LUS current contract as applied to pre-merger LUS Flight Attendants
 
Q: Why did the top-of-scale rates see proportionately more cuts than the lower pay steps.
A: 75% of the combined workgroup is at the top of the pay scale. Equal percentage cuts across the board would have lowered certain pay steps to below the current rates for some Flight Attendants.


Leslie Mayo
APFA National Communications Chair
 

 

[bigjets]

What are the know nothing, junior CEOs saying now?

 

[swamt]

I hear some saying the F/A's voted down an "industry leading" contract.  I hear others stating it was not "industry leading".  So was it or was it not.  LG has been touting that it is.  With the NO vote prevailing I am now more suspicious than ever before.   Good luck the the F/A's on their up coming arbitration:
 
At American Air, Laura Glading Battles On Despite Contract Defeat

 

[700UW]

It was only voted down by 16 voters and yes it was industry leading.

 

[Black Magic]

DP and gang would love nothing more than to hoodwink the labor groups in a 5 year contract that seems like hike a in pay now but will be considered small beans in 2 years. Company is very smart in trying to sew up a deal now with its labor groups then laugh when the true record profits hit.

 

[700UW]

You do realize the arbitrated CBA will still be a five year duration worth less than the TA?
 
$82 million a year less.

 

[AANOTOK]

You do realize the arbitrated CBA will still be a five year duration worth less than the TA?
 
$82 million a year less.

I thought Bob said that was negotiable. 

 

[Black Magic]

You do realize the arbitrated CBA will still be a five year duration worth less than the TA?
 
$82 million a year less.

We will see. Just like you were oh soo sure that the new boarding priority would be by senority instead of fcfs because "its in the contract."

 

[AANOTOK]

We will see. Just like you were oh soo sure that the new boarding priority would be by senority instead of fcfs because "its in the contract."

He continues to run from that statement (or spin it)

 

[700UW]

Go read the NPA and what the APFA is putting out, I posted their position in arbitration.
 
And Fleet's grievance hasnt been heard yet, and the language is different than what the AFA had.
 
https://www.apfa.org/images/negotiations/APFA-Interest-Arbitration-Proposal-112614.pdf

 

[AANOTOK]

Ok 700, ok....In the meantime it's fcfs

 

[usfliboi]

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