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[700UW]

Don't you know Bob knows all and is never wrong?

He gets something in his mind and no matter if God himself would tell him he is wrong he would still say he is right.

The NPA is quite clear yet Bob still states the arbiter will only give them a two year contract and award them profit sharing.

He doesn't get the FAs screwed themselves and the arbitration is only where the arbiter can cut $82 million from the JCBA.

 

[Bob Owens]

Or we can do it your way where you will not accept reality and be so far apart from AA that we will be garenteed of a arbitrated substandard contract.

As far as the APFA TA, you keep saying what they should have done, and what AAs finances will be 2 years from now, but the BIG fact you seem to ignore is that the VOTE was for one of two options.

The TA as it was or an arbitrated contract minus $82m.

That was it plane and simple, and your kind of thinking will cost each FA thousands of dollars and maybe work rules.

Or we can do it your way, the same way Don Videtich did it and aim low and settle for bottom of the industry with zero cost contracts, and do it with a company thats earning record breaking profits and around $50 billion a year in revenues. Do you realize that for each employee the company will be taking in roughly $650,000 per year, which is around triple what they were taking in back in 2001 when we were paid more than we are today? Labor costs used to be the biggest expense, as it should be since this is a service industry. Now labor is a fraction of what it once was. 

 

[Bob Owens]

Don't you know Bob knows all and is never wrong?

He gets something in his mind and no matter if God himself would tell him he is wrong he would still say he is right.

The NPA is quite clear yet Bob still states the arbiter will only give them a two year contract and award them profit sharing.

He doesn't get the FAs screwed themselves and the arbitration is only where the arbiter can cut $82 million from the JCBA.

Ok company spin master, where did I say any of what you said I said?
 
I didn't say what the arbitrator will do I said what the APFA should argue he should do. As I said before whats done is done now they have to deal with it. Running around and saying "We're screwed" is what typical pro company unionists such as yourself-who never saw a concession they didn't like, want the FAs to do. You would rather see other unions do poorly so it makes your Union of choice look better. 
 
Does the NPA discuss the term of the agreement? Are you claiming that the Arbitrator can't rule for a shorter term? While the NPA may set limits as far as "industry Aggregate" the fact is that the industry that they are talking about only has contracts in place till 2016, and those contracts were agreed to under very different conditions than what exists today. The Arbitrator is supposed to come out with a fair decision subject to the terms agreed upon. You simply say that since they voted NO they should get screwed for not voting as their Union told them, in other words they should be punished and let all the other workers at AA take that as a lesson not to vote against what your Union tells you to accept. Understood, thats the IAM mentality, what also goes along with that is a year or so down the road when they realize they screwed themselves, you will say "Don't complain or blame your union for the fact that you will spend the next several years at the bottom of the industry, you voted for it"

 

[Bob Owens]

Again, you seem to be confused about this being a Section 6 negotiation. This ain't a PEB, where politicians get to drive the result.

Not confused at all, show me an example is all I asked. 

 

[AANOTOK]

No I keep saying what they should do now. I didn't comment on the APFA contract until the voting was pretty much done, the only thing I said was I would never vote for a five year contract (which extends the BK contract) without profit sharing. 
 
Look at this for what it is, 9% followed by three 2% raises. As you know the raises we get are quickly absorbed by increases to our medical and don't even keep us at pace with inflation. Factor in the average inflation (3%) over 5 years and you can subtract 15%, or pretty much everything they got, their standard of living will be the same as it is now, while the company is earning billions.They have a wage that is comparable at the moment to their competitors but no profit sharing, all the wages in this industry were structured around profit sharing. Delta FAs are likely to see an additional 15% added to their compensation through profit sharing. 
 
Show me an arbitrated contract under the RLA that has been substandard. 

Oh and Bob, let's not forget the raises are quickly absorbed also by giving a chunk
of it to our union for the outstanding job they do.

 

[700UW]

I guess you still don't get it, the NPA is quite clear they can only figure out how to cut the money not change the duration or get gains.

 

[eolesen]

Not confused at all, show me an example is all I asked.

Don't think there are too many examples of an arbitrated agreement outside of Section 6, Bob. This is the first one I can think of under the RLA.

 

[Bob Owens]

Don't think there are too many examples of an arbitrated agreement outside of Section 6, Bob. This is the first one I can think of under the RLA.

Exactly, so how can he say what the arbitrator will do?

 

[Bob Owens]

I guess you still don't get it, the NPA is quite clear they can only figure out how to cut the money not change the duration or get gains.

Show me where it says that. 

 

[700UW]

Go read the NPA and what the APFA and a what Lara Glading has been saying about the arbitration.

Stop living in denial.

 

[Bob Owens]

Go read the NPA and what the APFA and a what Lara Glading has been saying about the arbitration.

Stop living in denial.

have a link?
You are saying it says something, show me what exactly it says. 

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

have a link?
You are saying it says something, show me what exactly it says.

Here is the full NPA. I can't believe that you have been commenting on this and have not even read it?

https://www.apfa.org/images/negotiations/negotiations-protocol-agreement-2014.pdf

 

[700UW]

Market aggregate

 

[700UW]

APFA arbitration proposal.

https://www.apfa.org/images/negotiations/APFA-Interest-Arbitration-Proposal-112614.pdf

 

[bigjets]

No I keep saying what they should do now. I didn't comment on the APFA contract until the voting was pretty much done, the only thing I said was I would never vote for a five year contract (which extends the BK contract) without profit sharing. 
 
Look at this for what it is, 9% followed by three 2% raises. As you know the raises we get are quickly absorbed by increases to our medical and don't even keep us at pace with inflation. Factor in the average inflation (3%) over 5 years and you can subtract 15%, or pretty much everything they got, their standard of living will be the same as it is now, while the company is earning billions.They have a wage that is comparable at the moment to their competitors but no profit sharing, all the wages in this industry were structured around profit sharing. Delta FAs are likely to see an additional 15% added to their compensation through profit sharing. 
 
Show me an arbitrated contract under the RLA that has been substandard. 

 
 
Not voting for a five year contract, means voting NO for TA, which means going to arbitration, which means an arbitrator decides on contract minus $82m. Who believes the arbitrator is going to give the FA's a 2 year contract, who thinks AA would negotiate a 2 year contract?
 
 
Bob on his unicorn, that's who.....