"It's just not the right way to pay 100,000 employees that don't have that much impact on the daily

[WorldTraveler]

except WN has proven that profit sharing DOES WORK in the airline industry. Their employees were much lower paid compared to legacy carriers for years and they had a huge incentive to make WN successful.

UA had the ESOP and faced massive internal conflict.

DL adopted the WN model post BK and DL employees are gaining enormously.

AA might well turn into being a mismanaged company - but analysts don't think that will be the case and even if that happens, the airline industry is making very strong profits - and AA employees will not get any more out of it for their efforts than if they just show up for work.

 

[eolesen]

What exactly is your purpose for being here, WT? To constantly $#!+ on the AA employees about what they don't have?....

Give it a rest already. You've made the point. Repeatedly. Tiresomely.

 

[WorldTraveler]

my point is to discuss business issues that are relevant to the industry... there is nothing on this forum that restricts the ability of any person to participate, including me or you.

let's be honest here.

you have done everything you possibly could think of to get me off of this board.


I'm here and will be.

If you'd learn that the world doesn't revolve around you, we would all be fine.

 

[eolesen]

Right now, all you're doing is beating a dead horse.

 

[dfw gen]

my point is to discuss business issues that are relevant to the industry... there is nothing on this forum that restricts the ability of any person to participate, including me or you.

let's be honest here.

you have done everything you possibly could think of to get me off of this board.


I'm here and will be.

If you'd learn that the world doesn't revolve around you, we would all be fine.

what an a**hole.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Right now, all you're doing is beating a dead horse.

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not unlike what you have been doing for about 8 years now?

let me give you a serious hint...

if you want a peaceful forum, then figure out how to do the same thing that you want - show people respect and quit worrying about what anyone else does.

you have spent the better part of a decade preoccupied by reputation scores, post activity, and when I have or have not collected an airline pay check.

when you learn to focus on what matters which is saying what you want to say and quit worrying about someone else, then we can have a peaceful forum.

 

[eolesen]

The better part of a decade? Oh, that's rich considering reputation scores were only implemented in May 2012.

You want peace? Stop crapping on people over things they have no control over.

 

[Kev3188]

Give it a rest already. You've made the point. Repeatedly. Tiresomely.

No kidding.
 
 

Right now, all you're doing is beating a dead horse.

Also true.

 

[WorldTraveler]

you've been trying to get me off of this board for the better part of a decade.

how about BOTH of you quit worrying about what anyone else does and post what you want to do and then move on?

your fixation with me and what I do is 99.9% of the problem. \

if you were both half as smart as you claim to be, you would have realized that if you just go about your own business, I might be willing to cooperate.

surprisingly, there are people who have learned. you two are not them.

specific to this topic, it's all the more rich considering you two aren't affected by frontline decisions at AA to not participate in profit sharing.

it is a subject that will matter when the tallies about who made what in 2013 are completed.

 

[Kev3188]

specific to this topic, it's all the more rich considering you two aren't affected by frontline decisions at AA to not participate in profit sharing.

Tell us more about how frontline decisions at AA affect you.

it is a subject that will matter when the tallies about who made what in 2013 are completed.

You're almost a year behind. Sure you didn't mean 2014?

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, 2014.

we already know that DL employees saw a much larger increase in compensation than AA and US employees in 2013.

 

[MEM78]

http://crankyflier.com/2014/12/02/profit-sharing-why-american-doesnt-like-it-why-it-should-have-done-it-anyway-and-why-it-cant-do-it-now/
 
 
Interesting article about AA and the profit sharing issue..
 
On a side note, I have been observing these posts for some time, I don't know why so many get upset over the WT posts. just ignore him. I work for AA/US, I make more than my DL relative in the same position, minus the profit sharing he gets. But as he says, it is nice, but not really all that much once it is divieded amongst 80K employees. As far as this ignorant arguing over who makes more, it is not enough to worry with, it is all awash. DL with profit sharing makes a little more this year, AA or UA may make a little more next year after new contracts are ratified. I have been in this industry for 40 years so I do have a pretty good insight into the past and present of the industry.
 
Have a great day..

 

[Kev3188]

It's nice to see a "new" voice on here.  

 

[WorldTraveler]

http://crankyflier.com/2014/12/02/profit-sharing-why-american-doesnt-like-it-why-it-should-have-done-it-anyway-and-why-it-cant-do-it-now/
 
 
Interesting article about AA and the profit sharing issue..
 
On a side note, I have been observing these posts for some time, I don't know why so many get upset over the WT posts. just ignore him. I work for AA/US, I make more than my DL relative in the same position, minus the profit sharing he gets. But as he says, it is nice, but not really all that much once it is divieded amongst 80K employees. As far as this ignorant arguing over who makes more, it is not enough to worry with, it is all awash. DL with profit sharing makes a little more this year, AA or UA may make a little more next year after new contracts are ratified. I have been in this industry for 40 years so I do have a pretty good insight into the past and present of the industry.
 
Have a great day..

yes, airlines have ups and downs but 15% of one's salary NOW is not insignificant.

it simply is not.

and AA and UA MAY make more - or they might not.

and welcome to airline forums.

 

[eolesen]

you've been trying to get me off of this board for the better part of a decade.

Two years is the better part of a decade? With math skills like that, I now understand how your career spanned four decades.
 

your fixation with me and what I do is 99.9% of the problem.

Fixed your post.
 

specific to this topic, it's all the more rich considering you two aren't affected by frontline decisions at AA to not participate in profit sharing.

Au contrare, Skippy....

If anything, AA's decision not to participate in profit sharing stands to increase the profit sharing gains that Kev, me, swaamt, Dawg, Meto, and all the other airline employee participants who don't work for AA, especially if AA's service starts to suffer because of poor employee morale.

I'd rather not profit from AA's employees' mistakes, but if the shoe were on the other foot, I know they wouldn't think twice about profiting from possible missteps or labor unrest at another airline.