Ok. Please oh wise one tell us, where is the center of the Universe?
Shrink our way to profitability...now where have I heard that before?
Pride goeth before the fall.
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Ok. Please oh wise one tell us, where is the center of the Universe?
ORD is probably the best as far as geographic location for reaching most of the populous parts of the world. But the problem with ORD is the winter, the colder it gets the longer it takes to do anything outside when it comes to maintenance. There are a lot of things you cant do with gloves on and your hands can only function for a short amount of time in the bitter cold, you have to stop and warm them up. DFW occasionally gets cold but it doesnt stick around like it does in ORD.The City of Chicago's move to rebuild ORD's runways could very well have the effect of significantly diminishing the amount of connecting traffic that ORD handles and in the process weaken the hubs that AA and UA operate; many routes are highly dependent on large numbers of connections... which is part of why AA has shifted so much of its TATL operation to JFK.
NYC is a larger local market, AA operates more mainline flights, and JFK is a more strategic location for a TATL gateway... if you had to pick just one city for your TATL hub, you would pick NYC over CHI.
The question stands. If he knows that NY is not the center of the Universe then he must know where the center is.Pride goeth before the fall.
1) NYC is NOT the center of the universe
People living there obviously feel otherwise, but no, NYC has not been the center of the universe for at least 10 years. It may be the financial universe for the US, but London now owns that title for global banking, and probably will continue to do so given the lack of confidence in the US banks to self-regulate.
Combining co-terminals, LHR+LGW and NRT+HND outrank the three NYC airports combined.
If you look at airports as individual entities, ATL (2), LAX (7), ORD (12) and DFW (15) easily outrank JFK (20), EWR (47) and LGA (66).
Even if you use WT's "NY side of the Hudson" metric often used to defend DL's dominance, ATL still comes out as a bigger market than JFK+LGA, and ORD+MDW is within less than a percentage point of JFK+LGA.
Start throwing things like disposable income into the mix, and the data gets skewed even worse for NYC...
given that LHR is slot controlled, even AA and UA have been forced to fly intra-Europe tags to keep the slots active.
you might want to check last winter's schedule.Really, now. UA hasn't flown tags at LHR in ten years, if not longer.
And I don't recall AA ever scheduling a tag out of LHR aside perhaps a ghost flight due to cancellations. I'm not even sure if the fifth freedom authority TW had to feed LHR came along with the slot transfer, since TW was still operating to LGW.
Really, now. UA hasn't flown tags at LHR in ten years, if not longer.
And I don't recall AA ever scheduling a tag out of LHR aside perhaps a ghost flight due to cancellations. I'm not even sure if the fifth freedom authority TW had to feed LHR came along with the slot transfer, since TW was still operating to LGW.
Open Skies gives US airlines the right to operate within Europe.. which is why the Europeans believe the table is unbalanced... US carriers have access to to the internal EU market (between specific countries) while the EU does not have access to the US domestic market.
a US airline cannot do MUC-FRA on a revenue basis (note that TXL was considered at one time an exception). US airlines can do LHR-BRU or CDG-MXP but US airlines have almost entirely decided it is not worth trying to fly within the US given that their European partners can do it more cost effectively and there are largely revenue sharing/joint venture agreements in place.Are you sure about that?
I'm not a treaty lawyer, but I thought it was a more-or-less straightforward any US carrier from anywhere in US to any EU country (for example AA from ATL-CDG if they chose to) and any EU carrier from anywhere in EU to anywhere in USA (for example AF from LHR to LAX).
I didn't think there is anything in the deal regarding cabotage?
From the 2007 agreement: us-eu open skies deal
Article 3 Grant of rights:
1(c) the right to perform international air transportation between
points on the following routes:
(i) for airlines of the United States (hereinafter US airlines),
from points behind the United States via the
United States and intermediate points to any point or
points in any Member State or States and beyond; and
for all-cargo service, between any Member State and any
point or points (including in any other Member States);
(ii) for airlines of the European Community and its Member
States (hereinafter Community airlines), from points
behind the Member States via the Member States and
intermediate points to any point or points in the
United States and beyond; for all-cargo service, between
the United States and any point or points; and, for combination
services, between any point or points in the
United States and any point or points in any member
of the European Common Aviation Area (hereinafter
the ECAA) as of the date of signature of this Agreement;
{I don't think there is anything about cabotage here - or am I mistaken? I read it as that a USA carrier can fly USA-France-Spain-USA but not market the intra-EU segment in the EU. Likewise, then an EU carrier can fly EU-DTW-CVG-EU if they chose to but not market the DTW-CVG segment in the USA}?
Article 3 Grant of rights:
2. Each airline may on any or all flights and at its option:
(c) serve behind, intermediate, and beyond points and points in
the territories of the Parties in any combination and in any
order;
{To me this means that a US airline can fly, for example USA-EU-MidEast and an EU carrier can fly, for example, EU-USA-Canada}?
Article 3 Grant of rights:
6. Nothing in this Agreement shall be deemed to confer on:
(a) US airlines the right to take on board, in the territory of any
Member State, passengers, baggage, cargo, or mail carried
for compensation and destined for another point in the territory
of that Member State;
(B) Community airlines the right to take on board, in the territory
of the United States, passengers, baggage, cargo, or mail
carried for compensation and destined for another point in
the territory of the United States.
{I guess this section says that no US airline can do USA-FRA-MUC-FRA-USA for example, and that no EU airline can do EU-SFO-LAX-SFO-EU}?