Interesting 737-300 Comparisons

[geo1004]

Southwest rampers make way more then US and our Ramp pushes all planes except 5 stations.

But US's rampers (along with everyone else) are, on average, far more senior than the Southwest crew so it's a moot point.

Saying a topped-out Southwest ramper makes more than a topped-out US ramper is ONLY a valid arguement IF and ONLY IF US Airways and Southwest have the same number of topped-out rampers. They do not. US has far more. And that is ONE of the reasons it costs US more than Southwest to fly from PHL to MCO.

 

[insp89]

But US's rampers (along with everyone else) are, on average, far more senior than the Southwest crew so it's a moot point.

Saying a topped-out Southwest ramper makes more than a topped-out US ramper is ONLY a valid arguement IF and ONLY IF US Airways and Southwest have the same number of topped-out rampers. They do not. US has far more. And that is ONE of the reasons it costs US more than Southwest to fly from PHL to MCO.

geo1004, You state that SW does not have as many "topped out" rampers as U, Is this speculation on your part or do you have the stats? Also, please answer a couple of other questions previously asked. What is the salary of a SW A&P mech. vs. a Usair A&P mechanic ? Also, How much does it cost Southwest to outsource their Heavy Maint ??

 

[700UW]

Southwest has been around for over 30 years, I would believe they do have some senior folks, but see they keep growing and hiring, US keeps shrinking and firing who's fault is that?

 

[FM2436]

I'd want to find out who provided that $14,000 figure and how they came up with it before I placed much stock in it. It works out even higher (.13) than the systemwide CASM, which really doesn't make sense to me, considering the airports and that this is a nonstop flight.

The article was written by a Mr. David Field (whoever he is).

 

[Justaramper]

In CLT, LH made a demand for a dedicated workforce to there flight, which could have been done by hiring people to do it...We had the people already in place to do this, but it didn't satisfy LH..

Our offer was turned down by LH and the work was given to another company

 

[700UW]

According to US management US turned it down not LH (maintenance and cleaning portion).

An offer was never made to LH from maintenance and utility.

 

[ClueByFour]

But US's rampers (along with everyone else) are, on average, far more senior than the Southwest crew so it's a moot point.

With any kind of growth, this problem itself would be moot.

Since CCY has been responsible for shrinking the airline, it's a self-induced problem.

 

[OldGuyinPA]

Aircraft utilization...Oxymoron

For USAir..ways that means park it in aftenoon for a morning flight.

So how come our airplanes can't fly North or South on the West Coast.

Must be that forward thinking comming from the "Palace"

BYCU

 

[mweiss]

So how come our airplanes can't fly North or South on the West Coast.

At this point, because you'd never be able to make room in a space packed with AS/WN/UA/AA.

 

[geo1004]

geo1004, You state that SW does not have as many "topped out" rampers as U, Is this speculation on your part or do you have the stats?

The stats are quite simple.

If it costs US $14,000 to fly from PHL-MCO and Southwest does it for under $9,000 then please tell us where the difference is??? 737-300 vs. 737-300...

US has a CASM of over 11 cents.
Southwest's is south of 8 cents.

The money is going somewhere. Where is it going?

 

[ITRADE]

Damnit Geo, don't confuse them with simple logic!!!

 

[javaboy]

When CAL LITE ran out of GSO there were similar comparisions. while the numbers are dated, the gist of the matter is the same

2 737s sitting across from each other, (callite/usair), before you put fuel in it, oil in it, crew it, sell the tickets for it, pay for the gate space for it, perform maintence on it..... there was a 30,000 dollar per month difference in the two planes

this came from someone higher up signing a contract to buy/lease the airplanes 30,000.00 PER MONTH more than the other airline. so before you even pushed back you were running at higher costs than the other guy BECAUSE someone else put that deal together. not benefits, not hourly pay, not seniority, ect..... just like the 600 million in "non performaning investments" of the early 90s. fuel hedges that went against the airline because they were derivatives using the YEN. again another huge mistake.

so for the purposes of this thread, how much does airline A pay for the 737 and how much does UAIR pay for the 737.

that is something none of the "worker bees" have control over nor can any amount of givebacks cover continual descisions similar to that.


simple enough to check under aircraft rent in sec documents

 

[boeingdriver213]

I believe that LUV outsources the majority of their heavy maintainance. Their mechanics do mostly line maintainance. Anyone know for sure?

 

[ClueByFour]

The money is going somewhere. Where is it going?

The $0.20 plus difference in paid fuel costs, perhaps?

Paying the hedge genius at CCY?

Without knowing where the numbers came from, it's slightly bad form to immediately pound on labor, eh?

 

[Justaramper]

According to the CLT Station Mgr. US tried very hard to obtain the LH work and were rebuked in there attempts. Putting together a LH only dedicated workforce was not necessary, but LH didn't see it that way.

For now, LH is paying dearly for the PAWOB, as TSA can't seem to get its act together on a consistent basis and bags do miss the LH flight. Would have loved to have the work, but hiring a workforce for that flight only is not good business.

BTW, Signature did underbid US for the work {easily}