If you think Seniority integration is ugly now...

JMM said:
Yes, they can come in as spots open and I stay on Reserve. I am a realist and expect to be on reserve for 5-10 years, so again, no skin off my back. I look forward to work with some of the senior folks at east. Most of them are nice folks. However, just like anyting I am sure there are some "real works of arts" out east but we have them in the west too. You take the good with the bad and move on!
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Couldn't help but respond....and some of those "works of art" are NOT the Mona Lisa :lol:
 
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ALCARLOS said:
This is USAirways major weakness, they can't get rid of the senior people. This drives up the cost and prevents new hires. Not a good business plan.
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I was thinking something very much like this just today and earlier this week. This is always a sensitive issue to discuss, but not discussing it does not make the issue go away.

I would hate to be part of the Senior workforce and labeled a "weakness"...it sounds as if you are a liability and have outlived your usefulness. What the more Junior workforce needs to realize is that we will all be older and need to make a living in our older age as well someday.

Now having said that, US is challenged in ways that other airlines that are able to hire new f/a's are not. While other airlines are able to bring in "new blood" at the bottom of their pay scale, US is "top-heavy" with f/a's maxed-out on their pay scale and has a never ending Furlough List that will likely be around for a long time to come what with attrition slowing to a trickle, the continued retirement of aging aircraft, and zero growth for mainline.

Add in the possibility/likelihood of another merger with a carrier such as Northwest or United (both of whom are represented by AFA) and US may never need to hire new f/a's again. Another merger would likely mean the shedding of more aircraft and routes from that former "stand alone carrier" and US would inherit another laundry list of furloughed employees. This would also likely translate to Reserves at the bottom of the list remaining there for many, many years since as furloughees gradually returned, they would be slotted in by date of hire (as they should be) meaning those at the bottom never move up.

Perhaps this truly is US Airways unique, new "Legacy".
 
flyguy121 said:
I was thinking something very much like this just today and earlier this week. This is always a sensitive issue to discuss, but not discussing it does not make the issue go away.

I would hate to be part of the Senior workforce and labeled a "weakness"...it sounds as if you are a liability and have outlived your usefulness. What the more Junior workforce needs to realize is that we will all be older and need to make a living in our older age as well someday.

Now having said that, US is challenged in ways that other airlines that are able to hire new f/a's are not. While other airlines are able to bring in "new blood" at the bottom of their pay scale, US is "top-heavy" with f/a's maxed-out on their pay scale and has a never ending Furlough List that will likely be around for a long time to come what with attrition slowing to a trickle, the continued retirement of aging aircraft, and zero growth for mainline.

Add in the possibility/likelihood of another merger with a carrier such as Northwest or United (both of whom are represented by AFA) and US may never need to hire new f/a's again. Another merger would likely mean the shedding of more aircraft and routes from that former "stand alone carrier" and US would inherit another laundry list of furloughed employees. This would also likely translate to Reserves at the bottom of the list remaining there for many, many years since as furloughees gradually returned, they would be slotted in by date of hire (as they should be) meaning those at the bottom never move up.

Perhaps this truly is US Airways unique, new "Legacy".
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Geeesh, Now I'm depressed! :( Gonna have to move out of Pollyannaville.
 
Would it be helpful in managing the longevity, if the "free ride to work program" was replaced with a "reduced fare" one?
 
flyguy121 said:
Considering that over the past few months recall #'s have been reduced, August recall completely canceled, and now a Voluntary Leave of Absence in September due to overstaffing in PIT, CLT and PHL after the Summer travel season concludes, I highly doubt that all the invol's will be back on property before year's end.

My prediction: I expect the next recall announcement to be less recalls for December or a complete cancellation of that "planned recall" altogether.

Parker may be improving some areas of US, but in the matter of recalls and growth he is failing miserably. I also recall reading that US was aggressively seeking to pick up more 757's (in addition to the 3 from ATA) or possibly 767's. What ever happened with that? I guess it's safe to conclude there are no plans for any newly acquired aircraft anytime soon since the company needs to reduce the headcount in September. Hopefully the company will arrive at the # they are looking for so that this may not translate to a re-furlough of those who just came back.

Sounds like all that talk of growth, aircraft acquisition and the return of all invol's by the end of the year was just that...talk. Remember, it's important to keep the employees believing that there may be something on the horizon to look forward to. Personally, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Umm, the reason that recalls are down is because no one is leaving the company anymore. The Attrition rate is almost zero. (What? Someone might not think this is the worst place in the world to work! Shocking!)

I don't remember any talk of more 57/67's. And would you not consider the E190s new? Before you blast me, the E190s are not replacing current a/c one for one, not even close.
 
USCREW said:
UH HUH...

His suggestion would mainly hurt crew members since others usually do not fly to work.
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They don't huh? :shock: I hate to break this to you, but us ground pounders do in fact fly to work in great numbers. I've long last track of the people I know that fly to and from work, some weekly and some daily at 3 differant airlines now. I my self am now commuting for the umpteenth time at my 3'rd airline. I really get steamed when crew think only they have to commute. :down:
 
JAFA-Just Another F**ked Aviator said:
They don't huh? :shock: I hate to break this to you, but us ground pounders do in fact fly to work in great numbers. I've long last track of the people I know that fly to and from work, some weekly and some daily at 3 differant airlines now. I my self am now commuting for the umpteenth time at my 3'rd airline. I really get steamed when crew think only they have to commute. :down:
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No...I did NOT say that only crews commute, but I believe that more crews commute than ground people. At last count, in PHL it was more than 60%. Is it that high in your department? And why would you get STEAMED over that?
 
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