IAM Withdraws NMB Election Application

[BABABOOY]

According to WT and Baba the EIG will save you!   
 
Here i'll just get this out of the way for WT. If you don't like it then leave....... 

Look here DOg looking for a biscuit from his cheerleaders.

Where did I say the EIG will sAve anyone?
The EIG is one of the many tools that delta F/A's have at their disposal.
So far the MAJORITy of DELTA F/a's think it's a better alternative to the IAM.
Concern yourself with your own workgroup and I'll Do the same with mine.

 

[700UW]

And by law the EIG cant negotiate working conditions, pay etc.. as its against the law.

 

[WorldTraveler]

so why are you and others making a huge production out of the fact that they do not?

DL is simply following the law - and yet you others complain.

The employee teams work on issues that DL can discuss with them and result in positive improvement.

If DL employees want to negotiate pay with the company, they have to hire a union - and then watch their pay and rate of increases go down based on all of the real, solid, and accurate data that compares DL and other airline employees.

 

[700UW]

You don't hire a union, you elect one and become a member.

Keep up the spin.

 

[Kev3188]

And by law the EIG cant negotiate working conditions, pay etc.. as its against the law.

Exactly.

But it sure doesn't stop companies from trying to convince people otherwise...

Want to paint your break room or organize a chili cook off, then FIT/EIG are the way to go.

Want to achieve actual progress in the workplace? Not so much...

 

[southwind]

You don't hire a union, you elect one and become a member.
Keep up the spin.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be a "Paying" member of a union that crossed another unions picket line!

 

[WorldTraveler]

if money is exchanged, there is a service that is being bought... unless the clear intent is for the financial transaction is intended to be viewed as a donation to a non-profitable, charitable organization. If that is the case, the IRS requires that the non-profit organization state that the money which has been given is not in return for any service or product.


Union members do BUY a service and those who want to argue otherwise cannot also argue that a union is required to file a grievance on behalf of the members if the contract under which they work has been broken.

The union supporters on this board want many people to believe it is not big business but that is completely inaccurate. They act on behalf of the people who hire and there is millions of dollars that changes hands in an attempt to sway opinion and obtain monetary and tangible rewards.

DL people have simply and repeatedly decided they do not want to insert another entity into the relationship they have with their employer, esp. since there is abundant evidence that DL employees do as well as or better than their peers at other airlines who have unions.

No one should doubt for one minute that there are entities that are very active on this board to suppress dissenting opinions and to manage the fleeting influence that the union movement still has.

 

[700UW]

Being unionized pays you.

Unionized workers make more than non-union workers overall.

 

[Kev3188]

The list of benefits is a long one.

You may pay to be in a union, but it pays to be in one...

 

[700UW]

Proof:
 
http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2013/04/art2full.pdf

 

[700UW]

According to a January 2011 Bureau of Labor Statistics report, workers who belong to a union typically earn higher pay than non-union workers doing the same kind of job. Although it varies based on sector and occupation, the overall averages are striking.
[SIZE=140%]$917[/SIZE] = Median weekly earnings in 2010 of union members.
[SIZE=140%]$717[/SIZE] = Median weekly earnings in 2010 of non-union workers.
That's a yearly difference in salary of [SIZE=150%]$10,400[/SIZE] for union members vs. non-union members.
Union members earn an average of $4.95 more per hour - which equates to a yearly difference of $10,300.
Although it varies based on sector and occupation, the union difference for workers across the board is undeniable.
For workers employed in the public sector:

• The difference in salary amounts to roughly $165 more a week--approximately $650 more a month--for union vs. non-union.

For workers employed in the private sector:

• The salary difference for union vs. non-union amounts to roughly $155 more a week--approximately $615 more a month.

Union workers in many healthcare fields also earn higher salaries than their non-union counterparts:

• Registered Nurses (16% higher); Nursing Aides (22% higher)
• Diagnostic Technicians (31% higher)
• Other healthcare support occupations - 33%

Greater Access to Healthcare Coverage; Lower Cost
In 2009, 92 percent of union employees in the U.S. had access to health care benefits, compared to only 68 percent of non-union workers.
The union advantage is even greater when you compare the percentages of union vs. non-union workers receiving specific benefits:

• Dental Care: Union, 70% | Non-union: 44%
• Vision care: Union, 53% | Non-union: 24%
• Prescription drug benefits: Union, 90% | Non-union, 68%

Union workers nationwide are 28.2 percent more likely to be covered by employer-provided health insurance.
Union workers also pay less out of pocket for their insurance than non-unionized workers do.

• Union workers, on average, pay 11 percent of premiums for individual coverage and 18 percent of premiums for family coverage.
• Companies with 30 percent or more unionized workers are five times as likely to have their entire family health insurance premium paid for, in comparison to companies with no unionized workers.

Non-union workers pay much more for their insurance:

• 20 percent for individual coverage and 33 percent for family coverage.

Paid Leave

• Union workers get 28 percent more days of paid vacation, on average, than non-union workers.
• 82 percent of union workers have paid sick leave, compared to 63 percent of nonunion workers.
• 46 percent of unionized workers receive full pay while on sick leave, versus only 29 percent of non-union workers.

A More Secure Retirement

• Nationally, 77 percent of union employees in 2009 were covered by pension plans that provide a guaranteed monthly retirement income. Only 20 percent of non-union workers are covered by guaranteed (defined-benefit) pensions 20%.
• Union workers are 53.9 percent more likely to have employer-provided pensions.

 

[WorldTraveler]

except the math just doesn't work for DL employees.

generalities are great until they are proven wrong by specifics.

It's NO SALE at the IAM lemonade stand when it comes to DL employees.

 

[700UW]

That's why new cards are flying in and let's see what the DOJ has to stay.

 

[WorldTraveler]

The DOJ can say anything it wants but it can't make DL employees buy a union service they don't want.

cards have been "flying in" for six years since the merger and yet not a single large workgroup has unionized since the merger when DL employees dealt the labor movement the biggest loss of membership in the history of the airline industry when they chose the freedom of a direct employee-employer relationship and rendered worthless tens of thousands of union cards.

 

[Kev3188]

700--

Who knows for sure what DL employees truly want- they had their legal right to vote stolen from them.

Like the RoTR says, "speed wins." Let's have the NMB call for a vote right now and let the chips fall where they may.