IAM Withdraws NMB Election Application

[townpete]

If I was clarvoyant, I wouldn't work here...

You sure act like it lol.

 

[Kev3188]

I haven't looked, but I'm guessing that if there is some fraud involved on the part of airline employees (whether they're pro-union or anti-union), a federal conviction for that fraud may very well be a 10-year disqualifying event for SIDA badging.

I suspect that'll be the least of their worries...

 

[WorldTraveler]

This is truly new territory, and could prove to be a watershed moment for labor in the US.

As for a vote: IMHO, depending on where this goes, a Key ballot or even automatic certification can't be ruled out.

 
which means that there really hasn't been an airline union that has had a case go to the Justice Dept. for this level of fraud... amirite?

automatic certification? you do live in a dream world.
 

I don't think this will be anywhere near as simple as that.

As for screen captures? If nothing else, they're certainly compelling. My guess is FB will be asked to supply lots of data. Same story with phone companies, ISP's, and so on. Maybe even seizure of people's computers and/or phones? Time'll tell.

of course they will look at social media, phone records, the whole 9 yards... which is why they won't find DL's fingerprints anywhere near the campaign.

and you still can't deny that the IAM and the IAM ALONE was responsible for verifying cards before they were sent to the NMB.

when even the IAM indicated that there were cards that were incomplete, it became apparent that the case is not the least bit about signatures changing over the years.

Your theory that DL sank the card drive is logically indefensible.

DL didn't have to infiltrate the campaign.... the IAM would eventually screw up on its own along with its supporters and that is exactly what happened, Kevin.

If it turns out otherwise, I'll beg the utmost repentance but I simply don't see that happening.

and you still can't admit that the possibility really exists that the IAM shot their own selves in the foot... not "I want to know all of the truth" but that the IAM screwed up, if only on the sole basis of submitting the cards.

 

[townpete]

From the IAM:

"As we explained, withdrawing our application instead of awaiting a final determination from the National Mediation Board (“NMB”), which could take many, many months given the agency’s slow pace, provided the best opportunity to secure union representation for Delta’s Flight Attendants as quickly as possible."

That there has to the utmost weakest, pathetic, eyerolling explanation ever.

NMB was taking forever so before they were about to rule a determination, IAM pulled out because it was taking to long??? And yeah it was a faster solution to the problem or something. Because justice!?

lol

 

[xUT]

Kev is a smarter person than you give him credit for. Just because he is a union advocate doesn't make him blind to reason and facts... Unlike some other posters.

I agree.
Much more level headed than some posters.
 
B) xUT

 

[WorldTraveler]

we'll see what he and you say when the DOJ says that the IAM and its supporters bastardized the card collection process and no one else.

 

[Kev3188]

automatic certification? you do live in a dream world.

Anything's possible. IMO, a Key ballot is much more likely if anything...
 

of course they will look at social media, phone records, the whole 9 yards... which is why they won't find DL's fingerprints anywhere near the campaign.

You continue to argue a point no one is making. Good for you.

and you still can't deny that the IAM and the IAM ALONE was responsible for verifying cards before they were sent to the NMB.

when even the IAM indicated that there were cards that were incomplete, it became apparent that the case is not the least bit about signatures changing over the years.

Everytime you post things like this, you reinforce the idea that you don't understand how this all works. Please get over to NMB.gov, and read up.

From the IAM:

"As we explained, withdrawing our application instead of awaiting a final determination from the National Mediation Board (“NMB”), which could take many, many months given the agency’s slow pace, provided the best opportunity to secure union representation for Delta’s Flight Attendants as quickly as possible."

That there has to the utmost weakest, pathetic, eyerolling explanation ever.

NMB was taking forever so before they were about to rule a determination, IAM pulled out because it was taking to long??? And yeah it was a faster solution to the problem or something. Because justice!?

lol

Quicker of the two available options. But you already knew that.
 
 

I agree.
Much more level headed than some posters.
 
B) xUT

Thank you.

 

[700UW]

World Fraudster lies again. He has no clue.

The NMB verfies the cards not the IAM.

How many times are you going to post misinformation.

 

[townpete]

Quicker of the two available options. But you already knew that.  Thank you.

So what you are saying is that on the eve of NMB making a determination, withdrawing the petition is faster? lol

You must be good at Twister because you look like a pretzel rationalizing that lame excuse.

 

[townpete]

World Fraudster lies again. He has no clue.
The NMB verfies the cards not the IAM.
How many times are you going to post misinformation.

And who had possession of cards prior to submitting?

Why was IAM adamant about 100% of said cards were verified to be 100% correct...and echoed that repeatedly?

Boooooooom

 

[700UW]

Explain how the IAM is suppose to verify a sIgnature when they are not given th signature list at all?

Another ignorant post by an anti.

You and fraudster really need to educate yourself and keep posting lies and misinformation and you and others will be called out every time.

 

[townpete]

Explain how the IAM is suppose to verify a sIgnature when they are not given th signature list at all?
Another ignorant post by an anti.
You and fraudster really need to educate yourself and keep posting lies and misinformation and you and others will be called out every time.

Ask the activists, the ones collecting the cards. The ones who kept saying the cards were 100% accurate.

Funny how that's all we heard, 60%! Whoop whoop, etc.

Then on the eve of NMB making a determination IAM gets wind that there's problems and pulls the petition. Because it's "faster" lol

Keep twisting pretzel boy.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Kevin,
plz explain the term "key ballot"

and yes you and others have repeatedly tried to say or at least infer that the company was involved in the card defrauding process.

not only does it make no sense but there is no evidence whatsoever for it.

There is a whole lot of evidence that the IAM accessed and used DL proprietary information including DL employee numbers and DL employee phone numbers for its use. It is a whole lot easier connection for the IAM and its employee supporters and perhaps employees at other airlines who supported the DL effort and who participated in a number of social media sites to have forged cards.

It doesn't matter who did it. It is still illegal and the NMB made it clear it was very mad that it spent months of its time going thru fraudulent cards and there will be people who will pay for it.

And I still submit that even if the IAM itself didn't defraud a single card, it did know about what was going on, and it also submitted the cards to the NMB.

Electronic communication is such that it is very likely that the DOJ will find out fairly quickly who was involved, esp. since very few of the people involved in the campaign thought the DOJ would now be examining their FB communications, cell phone records, and DL would be turning over employee access records to DL's internal systems.

Explain how the IAM is suppose to verify a sIgnature when they are not given th signature list at all?

Another ignorant post by an anti.

You and fraudster really need to educate yourself and keep posting lies and misinformation and you and others will be called out every time.

you will quickly find out that the NMB fully expected the IAM to clean out the cards that were clearly not even accurately filled out.

and the NMB does expect the IAM and other unions to maintain enough control over the process to know if it is being manipulated.

You cannot argue that a company's agents are responsible for its actions but a union can just pick up a bunch of cards that its supporters handed them, turn them into the NMB, and be free from any responsibility if those cards are full of fraud and error.

 

[1AA]

From the IAM:
"As we explained, withdrawing our application instead of awaiting a final determination from the National Mediation Board (“NMB”), which could take many, many months given the agency’s slow pace, provided the best opportunity to secure union representation for Delta’s Flight Attendants as quickly as possible."
That there has to the utmost weakest, pathetic, eyerolling explanation ever.
NMB was taking forever so before they were about to rule a determination, IAM pulled out because it was taking to long??? And yeah it was a faster solution to the problem or something. Because justice!?
lol

The teamsters did the same thing at AA. They submitted cards and they were short on the count. The real reason they withdrew after they filed was the documentation from teamsters organizers of fraud. Affidavits were written that organizers were pressured to meet quotas in cards. They had two cards with the same person and signatures did not match. The truth was days away and the teamsters knew it. The teamsters then withdrew. The official release from the teamsters was they did not want to create more problems for the AA employees because we are going through a bankruptcy. Since when do the teamsters care about not causing problems?

 

[700UW]

Evidence?

More lies from the fabricator of the facts.

So now you are working with the the NMB and the DOJ?

You lie and make up things and you will get called out.

There is plenty of evidence there was a concerted effort by the anti crowd.