Hp Workers Fear Us's Unions

[etops1]

fear US Airways union

A rumored merger of Virginia-based US Airways and the smaller America West of Arizona has workers at the smaller carrier on pins and needles.
America West employs more than 10,000 people in the Phoenix area, and many of them are nervous about merging their company with such a weak entity as the bankrupt US Airways, the nation's seventh-largest airline, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported Tuesday.
"We feel like US Airways is on its last leg," one America West pilot said.
He and other workers at America West, the nation's eighth largest carrier, also fear a merger with US Airways will mean layoffs and lengthy disputes about seniority, pay and jobs as staffs are blended and diminished.
If the combination happens, it would result in the nation's sixth largest airline.

 

[Schwanker]

It appears that US Employees are excited about this seeing some sort of "Sugar Daddy" bailing them out. At the same time, AWA employees are not excited at all as their career expectations are much better off than US. A merger or takeover of US would add a huge element of uncertainty to AWA's future. This is likely a deparate last straw for US while AWA would continue to plug along and doesn't need this merger for job security. AWA unions will certainly point this out during the seniority integration as Career Expectations are addressed. There is a definate feeling of uneasiness among AWA employees as they fear being drug into this.

On a side note, my understanding is the financing that's lining up is not on favorable terms. It has huge rewards for the financiers enticing them to put money on the table. Airbus is one prime example.

 

[Seatacus]

A merger or takeover of US would add a huge element of uncertainty to AWA's future.

[post="270425"][/post]​

They've been in BK twice so far. You would think that they would be accustomed to uncertainty.

 

[Schwanker]

One would think, although they are fairly stable right now--of course, relative to the industry.

 

[madders]

Hp hardly overlaps with U. unless there will be some route eliminations why would they need to cut employment.
With the exception of exPSA who would like to be based out in LAS or other point west is it likely that U pilots would want to move west.

 

[Columbia blue]

They've been in BK twice so far. You would think that they would be accustomed to uncertainty.

[post="270428"][/post]​

If your speaking of America West....AWA has been in BK once, not twice. The employees are justifiably concerned. This merger ( if it goes through ) could be very rewarding, however at least in the short term, it is filled with major risk.

 

[WestCoastGuy]

HP employees have good reason to be nervous if current management of ANY level stays. US has proven time and again that they have no regard or concern for their employees. Just like us, HP people will be chewed up and spit out of the picture when the need arises. Unless CCY is completely fumigated of the pest and vermin, they best hope no merger or acquisition occurs.

 

[diogenes]

Cleaning out CCY does not go far enough.

Every shift manager, station manager and regional director drank the AC koolaid to get and keep their job.

A big part of U's problem was the on-going rancor between the AL/PSA/PI groups AT THE MANAGEMENT LEVEL.

Mr. Parker, do yourself a favor. The new entity needs a 180 degree course correction from the current U direction.

Make it happen, and be ruthless about it.

You cannot quarantine the U virus. You can eradicate it.

With regards to the HP employees, they have due cause to be concerned. They have seen the vampire airline attach itself to a host, drain it, and move on.

 

[WestCoastGuy]

Cleaning out CCY does not go far enough.

Every shift manager, station manager and regional director drank the AC koolaid to get and keep their job.

You cannot quarantine the U virus. You can eradicate it.

[post="270447"][/post]​

You are 100% right about this! None of them will dare to speak up or against any company procedure or policy. It's a frenzy that feeds on itself.

 

[Us/boston]

It appears that US Employees are excited about this seeing some sort of "Sugar Daddy" bailing them out. At the same time, AWA employees are not excited at all as their career expectations are much better off than US. A merger or takeover of US would add a huge element of uncertainty to AWA's future. This is likely a deparate last straw for US while AWA would continue to plug along and doesn't need this merger for job security. AWA unions will certainly point this out during the seniority integration as Career Expectations are addressed. There is a definate feeling of uneasiness among AWA employees as they fear being drug into this.

On a side note, my understanding is the financing that's lining up is not on favorable terms. It has huge rewards for the financiers enticing them to put money on the table. Airbus is one prime example.

[post="270425"][/post]​

Give me a break! We at U do not look at AWA as a Sugar Daddy. Lets say this once and for all AWA is not buying U. It will be a holding Co that takes control of both carriers and eventualy merges them together. Nether U or AWA is going to go it alone in the airline business. U is going to merge with someone. AWA is going to merge with someone. Can you think of anyone that AWA could merge with this way besides U? If AWA is aquired by lets say AA do you think they will be better off. How about North West ? Do you think they will get date of hire there? U should be merging with UAL but It doesn't look like they can get there act together and we can't wait any longer. AWA is also a good choice and I am glad this is going to happen. To all the AWA employees I just want to say take a breath and take a wait and see. At least it will be your management running the show and looking out for you. In the Flight Attendant group we have always been fair about seniority. Peidmont,PSA got date of hire. When peidmont bought Empire they put them all on the bottom of the seniority list . When we bought Peidmont we took all the Empire F/As off the bottom and put them where they should have been at date of hire. When we merged the Trump shuttle they were given there Eastern Seinority because that is what Trump promised them when they took a chance on the Shuttle. We will work all this out. Our management may be a mess but our employees have always been hardworking survivors. It is going to be great to see what we can do together.

 

[DCAflyer]

HP employees have good reason to be nervous if current management of ANY level stays. US has proven time and again that they have no regard or concern for their employees. Just like us, HP people will be chewed up and spit out of the picture when the need arises. Unless CCY is completely fumigated of the pest and vermin, they best hope no merger or acquisition occurs.

[post="270444"][/post]​

Actually, life was pretty good at U until the day Dave Bronner stepped foot on the property. He is the reason things got so bad, he is the one who keeps lying (Siegel was his puppet, of course). Granted, there were things here and there before... WolfGang freaking out after 911 and terminating probationary employees. But even that was in the wake of DCA being shut down for so long and really screwing up our ops. But if Bronner loses his place at the table, I am hopeful things will get much much better for everyone.

 

[DCAflyer]

Give me a break! We at U do not look at AWA as a Sugar Daddy. Lets say this once and for all AWA is not buying U. It will be a holding Co that takes control of both carriers and eventualy merges them together. Nether U or AWA is going to go it alone in the airline business. U is going to merge with someone. AWA is going to merge with someone. Can you think of anyone that AWA could merge with this way besides U? If AWA is aquired by lets say AA do you think they will be better off. How about North West ? Do you think they will get date of hire there? U should be merging with UAL but It doesn't look like they can get there act together and we can't wait any longer. AWA is also a good choice and I am glad this is going to happen. To all the AWA employees I just want to say take a breath and take a wait and see. At least it will be your management running the show and looking out for you. In the Flight Attendant group we have always been fair about seniority. Peidmont,PSA got date of hire. When peidmont bought Empire they put them all on the bottom of the seniority list . When we bought Peidmont we took all the Empire F/As off the bottom and put them where they should have been at date of hire. When we merged the Trump shuttle they were given there Eastern Seinority because that is what Trump promised them when they took a chance on the Shuttle. We will work all this out. Our management may be a mess but our employees have always been hardworking survivors. It is going to be great to see what we can do together.

[post="270494"][/post]​

Very well said!

 

[TransatlanticFlyGuy]

I am sure that America West will get their "Date of Hire" What more could they ask for than maybe seat or position protection. After all the furloughed Usair folks are back then it will be a sane seniority list!! There are no "career expectations in this industry anymore". Having a job is enough to ask these days

 

[28yrsnojob]

AWA do yourself a favor and either buy up some assets or say away.
This management team at U will eat you up and then put both airlines
out of business.

 

[Fly]

U should be merging with UAL but It doesn't look like they can get there act together and we can't wait any longer.

[post="270494"][/post]​

I sure am glad we couldn't get our "act together".