How many AMTs does AA have?

[Rogallo]

Right out of our contract.....



ARTICLE 11 – CLASSIFICATIONS AND QUALIFICATIONS
(a) Employees covered by this Agreement will be assigned to a classification within one of the following Occupational Title Groups:

1. 
   (1)  Title I - Aviation Maintenance
   
2. 
   (2)  Title II - Plant Maintenance
   

1. 
    The classifications included in Title I – Aviation Maintenance will be as follows:
   
   (1)  Inspector
   
2. 
   (2)  Crew Chief – Aviation Maintenance Technician
   
3. 
   (3)  Technical Crew Chief – Aviation Maintenance Technician
   
4. 
   (4)  Aviation Maintenance Technician
   
5. 
   (5)  Overhaul Support Mechanic
   
6. 
   (6)  Crew Chief Cleaner
   
7. 
   (7)  Cleaner
   
8. 
    
   

[*]
  The classifications included in Title II - Plant Maintenance will be as follows:

1. 
   (1)  Crew Chief – Plant Maintenance Mechanic (Automotive/ Facilities)
   
2. 
   (2)  Technical Crew Chief Plant - Maintenance Mechanic
   (Automotive/Facilities)
   
3. 
   (3)  Plant Maintenance Mechanic (Automotive/Facilities)
   
4. 
   (4)  Maintenance Support Person (Automotive/Facilities)
   

 

[chellow]

One point of interest about the Title groups, you will find they have different seniority, for example if you are a plant maintenance Title II Painter for 35 years and transfer or upgrade to title I you will have zero seniority as an AMT in Title I.

 

[Real tired]

One point of interest about the Title groups, you will find they have different seniority, for example if you are a plant maintenance Title II Painter for 35 years and transfer or upgrade to title I you will have zero seniority as an AMT in Title I.

Ouch !!  I also learned that your MOC people that were Mechanics, lose one day of seniority for every day they are in MOC.
 
To add:
 
As of 6-2014, US had 3445 ( give or take the bottom and top 50 or so) in the Mechanic group.  That includes Leads, Inspectors, and Auto Shop and Plant Maintenance as we have no Title groups.
 
At this time I think the America West group in PHX might have some "Interior" Mechanics, or what AA refers as OSM, I believe.  Not sure about this as after 9 years, we truly were never a merged group.  
 
I don't know if they still exist as the Interior group, and if they do, if they are included in the 3445.  Maybe one of my West brothers could clarify.

 

[Overspeed]

MOC people? We have Tech Service which is union. They are on their own seniority list.

 

[Real tired]

MOC people? We have Tech Service which is union. They are on their own seniority list.

Maintenance Operation Center where the Maintenance Control Tech works.  The department that is getting shipped to DFW next year.
 
They are on a separate seniority list, but they keep their Mechanic time if they should want to down grade and come back to the Line or Overhaul.  I think there is 70 of them on the list.

 

[topDawg]

One point of interest about the Title groups, you will find they have different seniority, for example if you are a plant maintenance Title II Painter for 35 years and transfer or upgrade to title I you will have zero seniority as an AMT in Title I.

I am not sure how it works here. I think that if you are in dept 589 which are the ones who would be as close to plant MX as we get would be on the same lists, but they aren't AMTs. They are under the ASM lists I think (maybe even MUE) 
If you do GSE mx you are under ACS then it basically whatever flavor of the month the company is doing. Some keep all time, some get some(normally half) some get none. All depends on the number of bodies they need during the hiring cycle. 
 

 
Title 1 are the only ones that fix airplanes.  There were a couple small stations that had a auto mechanic (title 2) that had an A&P - that when called on, would help out.   As for avionics, at class one stations like DFW, ORD, MIA etc. there is a separate avionics group.  At class two cities like: MCO, PHX, SEA etc.  the AMTs do both general and avionics.

so a lot like us. MSP/ATL have Avionics guys then the rest of the stations are line stations (hangar or not) and its all covered by AMTs. 
 

 
Right out of our contract.....



ARTICLE 11 – CLASSIFICATIONS AND QUALIFICATIONS
(a) Employees covered by this Agreement will be assigned to a classification within one of the following Occupational Title Groups:

1. 
   (1)  Title I - Aviation Maintenance
   
2. 
   (2)  Title II - Plant Maintenance
   

1. 
    The classifications included in Title I – Aviation Maintenance will be as follows:
   
   (1)  Inspector
   
2. 
   (2)  Crew Chief – Aviation Maintenance Technician
   
3. 
   (3)  Technical Crew Chief – Aviation Maintenance Technician
   
4. 
   (4)  Aviation Maintenance Technician
   
5. 
   (5)  Overhaul Support Mechanic
   
6. 
   (6)  Crew Chief Cleaner
   
7. 
   (7)  Cleaner
   
8. 
    
   

[*]
  The classifications included in Title II - Plant Maintenance will be as follows:

1. 
   (1)  Crew Chief – Plant Maintenance Mechanic (Automotive/ Facilities)
   
2. 
   (2)  Technical Crew Chief Plant - Maintenance Mechanic
   (Automotive/Facilities)
   
3. 
   (3)  Plant Maintenance Mechanic (Automotive/Facilities)
   
4. 
   (4)  Maintenance Support Person (Automotive/Facilities)
   

 

ah thanks. 

 

[Vortilon]

I am not sure how it works here. I think that if you are in dept 589 which are the ones who would be as close to plant MX as we get would be on the same lists, but they aren't AMTs. They are under the ASM lists I think (maybe even MUE) 
If you do GSE mx you are under ACS then it basically whatever flavor of the month the company is doing. Some keep all time, some get some(normally half) some get none. All depends on the number of bodies they need during the hiring cycle. 
 
so a lot like us. MSP/ATL have Avionics guys then the rest of the stations are line stations (hangar or not) and its all covered by AMTs. 
 
ah thanks. 

 
 
How many AMTs does US Air have at ATL & MSP?

 

[exs]

Maintenance Operation Center where the Maintenance Control Tech works.  The department that is getting shipped to DFW next year.
 
They are on a separate seniority list, but they keep their Mechanic time if they should want to down grade and come back to the Line or Overhaul.  I think there is 70 of them on the list.

 
FYI MOC is already in DFW and MCT's keep their Company seniority and start losing occupational seniority since day one of hire into that group.
 
So if they chose to downgrade the do not keep their AMT time.

 

[chellow]

 
FYI MOC is already in DFW and MCT's keep their Company seniority and start losing occupational seniority since day one of hire into that group.
 
So if they chose to downgrade the do not keep their AMT time.

 
I hope we get a revaluation of MCT rate of pay, they get more pay for less work, responsibility and knowledge. All they are now are operators for Aircraft Maintenance Line to the Dispatcher and MOC. When it comes to joint negotiation the pay pie should be cut more evenly and fair. We have guys in the line calling and hanging up on the MCT’s when they get especially useless ones.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

One point of interest about the Title groups, you will find they have different seniority, for example if you are a plant maintenance Title II Painter for 35 years and transfer or upgrade to title I you will have zero seniority as an AMT in Title I.

As it should be.  

 

[chellow]

As it should be.

For me I think its a safty concern, you won't like someone with zero years of experience, returning an aircraft back to service in day shift maint. line, like the IAM does.

Thats why I think their should be a AMT class Craft, instead of all this Mechanics and related, its a safty concern that may bite someone with this new fly by wire jets.

 

[lineguy43]

 
Right out of our contract.....



ARTICLE 11 – CLASSIFICATIONS AND QUALIFICATIONS
(a) Employees covered by this Agreement will be assigned to a classification within one of the following Occupational Title Groups:

1. 
   (1)  Title I - Aviation Maintenance
   
2. 
   (2)  Title II - Plant Maintenance
   

1. 
    The classifications included in Title I – Aviation Maintenance will be as follows:
   
   (1)  Inspector
   
2. 
   (2)  Crew Chief – Aviation Maintenance Technician
   
3. 
   (3)  Technical Crew Chief – Aviation Maintenance Technician
   
4. 
   (4)  Aviation Maintenance Technician
   
5. 
   (5)  Overhaul Support Mechanic
   
6. 
   (6)  Crew Chief Cleaner
   
7. 
   (7)  Cleaner
   
8. 
    
   

[*]
  The classifications included in Title II - Plant Maintenance will be as follows:

1. 
   (1)  Crew Chief – Plant Maintenance Mechanic (Automotive/ Facilities)
   
2. 
   (2)  Technical Crew Chief Plant - Maintenance Mechanic
   (Automotive/Facilities)
   
3. 
   (3)  Plant Maintenance Mechanic (Automotive/Facilities)
   
4. 
   (4)  Maintenance Support Person (Automotive/Facilities)
   

 

So if I read this list right if a 30 year cleaner gets his A@P being title 1 would his cleaner seniority carry over to AMT?

 

[Rogallo]

So if I read this list right if a 30 year cleaner gets his A@P being title 1 would his cleaner seniority carry over to AMT?

Yes.

 

[chellow]

So if I read this list right if a 30 year cleaner gets his A@P being title 1 would his cleaner seniority carry over to AMT?

And it has happened, something that should be addressed.

 

[Real tired]

For me I think its a safty concern, you won't like someone with zero years of experience, returning an aircraft back to service in day shift maint. line, like the IAM does.

Thats why I think their should be a AMT class Craft, instead of all this Mechanics and related, its a safty concern that may bite someone with this new fly by wire jets.

Not really and it kinda doesn't work that way here at US.
 
Usually, Plant Maintenance is a high time shop, and the people there usually are done working on airplanes after so many years, and they never come back.  And if they do, they have to go through two weeks of re-training before they are allowed back on the line.
 
Auto Shop usually is just the reverse.  It's basically the last stop before the street.  It's mostly staffed with line and overhaul guys that got bumped and didn't want to go to another station.  It wasn't that way in the past, though.  At one time you needed your state inspection license, and diesel experience to get in there.
 
Really no safety concerns.  Nobody is forced.