Here Comes the 'term sheet"

[BoeingBoy]

SOME may, but it is doubtful you will be. Highly doubtful.

Hell, I'm retired. The only thing left to assimilate me is a grave. It just the mental picture of you sitting at a keyboard with your DL pom-poms that makes me laugh...

But enjoy it while it lasts. I've explained before why this is the perfect time for DL, but that'll be ending in a couple of years.

Jim

 

[Buck]

Hell, I'm retired. The only thing left to assimilate me is a grave. It just the mental picture of you sitting at a keyboard with your DL pom-poms that makes me laugh...

But enjoy it while it lasts. I've explained before why this is the perfect time for DL, but that'll be ending in a couple of years.

Jim

If DL was to be combined with AA, the mechanics at DL will finally be unionized.

 

[1AA]

If DL was to be combined with AA, the mechanics at DL will finally be unionized.

Did you forget already what Delta did to PanAm?

All Delta wants is our routes and some of our Aircraft. They could care less about all the employees. As far as unionized AMT's goes??? Forghedaboutit!!

 

[WorldTraveler]

Did you forget already what Delta did to PanAm?

All Delta wants is our routes and some of our Aircraft. They could care less about all the employees. As far as unionized AMT's goes??? Forghedaboutit!!

perhaps you overlooked that DL also merged in entirety with both Western and Northwest.... and DL retains a larger portion of the operations from those airlines than there is from any other merger that occurred in the same time period.
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PA was totally sold off in asset acquisitions between DL and UA. It is also worth noting that DL still operates a hub at JFK and remained the largest airline between the US and continental Europe until the CO-UA merger. The former PA people that DL hired - far more than UA did even though UA got the most valuable assets (LHR, Pacific, Latin America) remained/remain at DL in proportion to other DL people.
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The simple fact is that DL has handled mergers and acquisitions better than any of its peers.... that's probably why they continue to pursue them.

 

[eolesen]

DL retains a larger portion of the operations from those airlines than there is from any other merger that occurred in the same time period.
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The simple fact is that DL has handled mergers and acquisitions better than any of its peers.... that's probably why they continue to pursue them.

Wrong.

CO+PE occurred within three months of WA/DL in 1987. 95% of PE's route structure is still served out of EWR today, including the LAX-HNL service PE started just before the takeover, and has been continually since the merger.

WA's SLC hub and about half the LAX hub are served today, but not all of it survived, and there was a while that some of it wasn't served at all. All the service between Hawaii & Alaska is gone, and there was a lot more service to cities now served by Alaska Airlines & codewhored by DL.


And if you're trying to include DL+NW, then you're likely wrong again there, too. The MEM hub has been decapitated, while UA+CO have yet to minimize operations anywhere with mainline. They will eventually, but not until the pilot agreement is reached...

The fact that DL has had to grow thru mergers instead of organic growth might have worked for now, but time will tell if they've become too big for their britches.

 

[WorldTraveler]

ok...so it is true CO retained most of PE's route system but huge chunks of CO's route system were dumped in BK.... I guess we could agree that PE ended up better than CO.....
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What is too big for their britches? (anyone's)
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BTW, AS didn't itself even fly Alaska to Hawaii consistently.
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You do realize that DL retained a larger portion of its west coast operation from WA than AA did from QQ? That's probably why AA is #2 (among network carriers) in the west really only in LA.
And UA has very little to show for its Pan Am Latin acquisition.
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NW did a pretty good job of retaining the presence it gained from Republic...
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And as you note UA will pull down chunks of its new route system including CLE and more and more of DEN.
And you also don't seem to want to acknowledge that DL has also pulled down its own CVG hub - yet in both MEM and CVG, DL has held onto its local market revenue.
DFW is the only former DL hub where DL has not retained its former market revenue... but it more than traded what it gave up in DFW for share and revenue in NYC.

 

[enough already]

Aren't we a little off topic here?

 

[TWU informer]

Aren't we a little off topic here?

Say it Aint so!

These boards are getting boring and worthless

 

[Kev3188]

And if you're trying to include DL+NW, then you're likely wrong again there, too. The MEM hub has been decapitated, while UA+CO have yet to minimize operations anywhere with mainline. They will eventually, but not until the pilot agreement is reached...

The fact that DL has had to grow thru mergers instead of organic growth might have worked for now, but time will tell if they've become too big for their britches.

Same as it ever was at the Widget...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Since all the excitement has shifted to hope that the British are going to come bail out AA, let me take a diversion and respond to Kevin’s comments above.
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Kev,
You do realize that I, someone who has always held the printed word, aviation, and personal travel in high regard chose one of NWA’s most visible marketing tools as my moniker when I began participating in aviation chat forums nearly 10 years ago – fully five years before DL and NW merged? My eye had long before been drawn to a certain northern tier airline years before DL ever paid much attention to them. And even though the NWA name and brand no longer is used, I continue to proudly write under the name of one of its most identifiable marks.
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As for the notion that DL is “getting the red out,” you do realize that the tilted widget came directly from NW’s own identity as did the abundant use of red, a color which DL never used as much as they did before their exit-BK livery which presaged the NW merger?
Red appears throughout DL’s marks far more than it ever did, including in the red blankets onboard the global fleet.
DL never attempted to incorporate as many brand elements from any other airline it merged or acquired assets from to the degree it did with Northwest Airlines, including Pan Am which was one of the most globally recognized marks in aviation. The closest they came to carrying over PA branding was retaining the name of the JFK terminal as the Worldport, a name which ironically tied in with the branding NW would later choose.
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I have saluted NW’s contribution to aviation thousands of times.
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As for the continuing notion that DL cut MEM to get rid of NW’s presence, anyone who knows the history of the airline industry knows that DL was far stronger along the southern end of the Mississippi River including MEM long before NW acquired a presence in the region.
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The only place where DL invested more of its own resources was in JFK with the Pan Am acquisition and it was indeed largely to replace PA’s own aircraft. DL has added its own resources ALONGSIDE those which it has retained from NW. Even when the discussion turns to the DC9s, NW had already announced plans to pull down the fleet before the DL merger.
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DL has retained more elements of what was NW than it has of any other airline with which it has merged or acquired assets.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Delt...58140/L/&sid=64628e9b57fceb4ffb911572d14e0ae3

 

[Kev3188]

FFS, what makes you think that post was even directed at (or about) you?

Narcissism can be an ugly thing...

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------- Traveler, Don't you think this conversation by someone from AA about getting the "red" out is more than a little hypocritical?

 

[Kev3188]

I don't work at AA...

 

[MCI transplant]

I don't work at AA...

<_< ------ Well, aren't you the lucky one!!!?

 

[eolesen]

These boards are getting boring and worthless

I feel the opposite --- this is probably the first time in 10 years where discussion about the plight of the mechanics has actually fallen to less than 50% of the active discussion threads.......