Kev3188
Veteran
All the more reason Single Payer is/was the way to go...
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jcw said:let's be clear lots of people wanted the affordable care act and forgot that someone was going to have to pay for it and now we are paying for it
everyone's insurance costs are going up in every sector of the economy and it's disingenuous for the unions to advocate for the affordable care act and then flood the government requesting exceptions from the law or now complain that the cost of healthcare is going up to pay for everything the law makes companies provide
the UK is single payer system...Obamacare is not.jcw said:Yes I have and agree with the amounts you get to however you need to look how much you are going to pay out of pocket on the Silver plan - your deductable will be very high plus you will be very limited as to where you can get care - most places do not take ACA plans
This is a complex issue where you have to look at the benefits (reduced insurance premiums) and costs (access, out of pocket) etc to have the full impact - however please note almost every ACA plan is asking for huge increases in premiums as the loss ratios have been through the roof
There is no right answer - for example everytime I'm in the UK there is an expose on BBC about some new failure at NHS - you will find people who like NHS and others who hate it - it's all dependent upon individual situations
I think the anger on the part of us airline workers, especially those of us who are older, is that we went from paying NOTHING for medical. Then again, workers in other industries also had the same benefit.WorldTraveler said:thank you, Metal Mover.
and just to cut and paste a couple items from the article. There is a wealth of information in the article and anyone who wants to claim to be conversant in the subject needs to review the data and see how well ALL airline employees do relative to US norms.
- The $16,834 average annual family premium in 2014 is 26% higher than the average family premium in 2009 and 69% higher than the average family premium in 2004 (Exhibit 1.11). The 26% premium growth seen in the last five years (2009 to 2014) is significantly lower than the 34% premium growth seen in the previous five year period, from 2004 to 2009 (Exhibit 1.16).
• For large firms (200 or more workers), the average family premium for covered workers in firms that are fully insured has grown at a similar rate to premiums for workers in fully or partially self-funded firms from 2009 to 2014 (26% in both fully insured and self-funded firms) and from 2004 to 2014 (71% in fully insured firms vs. 73% in self-funded firms)
Yet........It might very well be in the future.AirwAr said:the UK is single payer system...Obamacare is not.
right...things that insurance companies should have already done.jcw said:Actually government is causing the rapid cost increase in insurance - remember it's a huge bill with lots of coverage companies need to apply - almost every company must increase insurance costs
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but all of that does cost money... whether it be from a private insurance company or the government.
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A single payer system won't make costs come down but it will push the quality of care down and insert the government in the health care decision process even more than exists already in the US. Very few Americans are willing to give up that freedom.