Grassroots Efforts at DL for ACS and FAs, no personal attacks.

[WorldTraveler]

and both the BP exec and a gas station owner actually generate a service which someone wants to buy and if they don't, their customers can walk away.

The IAM and every other airline union ropes you into a binding arrangement that makes it impossible to return to free choice.

the IAM isn't interested in anything but $14 million per year from DL FAs.

 

[700UW]

And the IAM won Spirit ramp last year.
 
The IAM represents more airline employees than any other union.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and virtually no FAs.

and they are giving away jobs at UA on the ramp.

what a record.

 

[700UW]

They dont give jobs away, the company does that.
 
The members ratified the CBA, not the IAM.  And the IAM just got back 800 jobs that was being done by vendors at UA.

And look at the US IAM CBA, best scope in the industry.
 

 
By Sahid Fawaz
 
1. Unions are no longer necessary
 
Wage stagnation and a decline in real incomes for middle class families has become one of the biggest problems facing the country. The middle class is shrinking and college graduates are putting off buying homes and cars because of low salaries. Meanwhile productivity is higher than ever and corporate profits are through the roof. So where is the money going? Instead of to the worker, more and more of it is going to corporate execs and CEOs, leading to increasing income inequality.
 
2. Unions are undemocratic
 
Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, one could argue that unions are among the most democratic organizations. Unlike a corporation, for example, unions are bottom up organizations where the members elect their officers, approve bylaws, and vote on contracts. Each union has member committees, member meetings, member-driven elections, and so forth that help to ensure that the opportunity for member participation is available to all.
 
3. Unions pay their officers and staff obscene amounts
 
Union salaries are determined democratically, often with the salaries approved by delegates and set forth in the bylaws or constitutions.
The reality is that most union officers are local officers. They get paid very little especially when you take into account the hours that they put in when it comes to negotiations, union administration, and contract administration. And many don’t get paid at all.
Some officers and staff at the national level get paid more but it is far from obscene. They often work long hours in cities with very high costs of living, such as DC and New York, where many unions are headquartered. And when compared to their peers in corporations, and some non-profits, their pay is often low.
 
4. Unions increase labor costs, leading companies to send jobs overseas
 
This allegation is completely refuted by recent history.
If a highly unionized workplace was, as the argument goes, the cause of companies sending jobs overseas, then the absence of high union density should lead to very few jobs going overseas, right? Well, union density in the private sector has been declining for decades and is currently less than 10%. Yet for the last few decades, American businesses have shifted millions of good paying jobs overseas, despite the huge increases in productivity at home and the stagnating wages.
It's not unions that lead to job loss. It's greedy corporate executives who simply don't want to share the fruits of higher productivity and profits with American workers - unionized or not.
 
5. Unions lead to lower productivity and worker laziness
 
No. Not even close. Studies show that productivity in unionized American workplaces is actually higher, with a meta-analysis noting that ""a positive [association between unions and productivity] exists for the United States in general and for U.S. manufacturing in particular."
 

 

[robbedagain]

Should the IAM get officially the green light from NMB and get elected to represent DL FAs  I would like to see the anti union peeps responses to that.   
 
As far as UA goes  that was a flip up all the way around from the UA donkeys to the IAM accepting it and recommending it and the membership who all voted yes on it   That alone shall teach them the next time around   At PMUS best scope improved everything   1 jet a week for a yr before the station can be outsourced     guaranteed wage increase of 2.1% each Sept for the next 3 yrs     

 

[Kev3188]

btw, EVERY ONE of the airline CEOs has created wealth for stockholders.

You know who else "creates wealth for stockholders?"

Rank and file workers.

 

[WorldTraveler]

You know who else "creates wealth for stockholders?"

Rank and file workers.

and they create that wealth regardless of whether they are unionized or not.

but a union does not create wealth.

and neither does the government.

part of the reason why some people hate both is because they do a lot of the same thing - interfering in the lives of people and the free functioning of the marketplace.

and if the UA CBA was so bad, why didn't the IAM take its name off it, robbed?

it is part of the IAM's track record. just because it didn't turn out great doesn't mean that you can pretend it didn't happen

 

[Airlinelifer]

WT......and when management totally screws up and create debt and leaves us "holding the bag."  It's funny how permanent employees get screwed and these "temporary" executives drop out with a golden parachute.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I am not at all saying that the golden parachutes were right - but they also existed at other airlines and they also existed at other companies outside of the airline industry.

Golden parachutes are wrong and have nothing to do with unions or non-unions.

Stockholders are the ones that have to say they don't want them.

 

[eolesen]

It's funny how permanent employees get screwed and these "temporary" executives drop out with a golden parachute.

Yeah, that's a bunch of BS.

Without exception, the current crop of airline CEO's are nowhere near temporary.

Anderson left for a couple years to work at UHC, but aside from that, has 25+ years between NW and DL. Gary Kelly's been a lifer at WN, Smisek's got 20 years with CO and UA. Parker has job-hopped between AA, NW, HP, US, and is now back at AA.... Dave Cush at VX is a careerist, and so is Robin Hayes at B6. Ben Baldanza is a lifer, too. Jerry Atkin at Skywest? Lifer. Bryan Bedford at Republic? 20+ years.

So, who exactly fits your definition of temporary?...

 

[southwind]

Should the IAM get officially the green light from NMB and get elected to represent DL FAs  I would like to see the anti union peeps responses to that.   
 
As far as UA goes  that was a flip up all the way around from the UA donkeys to the IAM accepting it and recommending it and the membership who all voted yes on it   That alone shall teach them the next time around   At PMUS best scope improved everything   1 jet a week for a yr before the station can be outsourced     guaranteed wage increase of 2.1% each Sept for the next 3 yrs

I'll go ahead and give you my response....."You made your bed, now you got to sleep in it. And if and when you go on strike, I'm sure you won't mind people crossing your picket line, since the IAM doesn't have a problem crossing others ......Good Luck!"

 

[Kev3188]

Yeah, that's a bunch of BS.Without exception, the current crop of airline CEO's are nowhere near temporary.Anderson left for a couple years to work at UHC, but aside from that, has 25+ years between NW and DL. Gary Kelly's been a lifer at WN, Smisek's got 20 years with CO and UA. Parker has job-hopped between AA, NW, HP, US, and is now back at AA.... Dave Cush at VX is a careerist, and so is Robin Hayes at B6. Ben Baldanza is a lifer, too. Jerry Atkin at Skywest? Lifer. Bryan Bedford at Republic? 20+ years.So, who exactly fits your definition of temporary?...

I took 'Lifer's statement as more of a general one, and not specific to just aviation...

That said, no one on your list is exactly labor friendly...

 

[jimntx]

Well, but then E is not exactly a cheerleader for organized labor, either.  So, Love and Marriage, horse and carriage, et al.  

 

[700UW]

https://dal.alpa.org/DesktopModules/Bring2mind/DMX/Download.aspx?Command=Core_Download&EntryId=7685&language=en-US&PortalId=0&TabId=2593

 

[700UW]

https://youtu.be/RQY4i5fDYMM