Federal Court Grants US Airways' Request For an Expedited Hearing On A Preliminary Injunction Agains

[Black Swan]

Jester, all those words are wasted. The spike occurred on May 1st. It correlates with USAPAs planning for a job action. There is no defending the obvious deviation that started on that day.

Exactly the same time the parallel taxiway to 36C was completely torn up. CLT has gotten slower with the advent of the 36R operation. I don t care what you say. You are still up against Orville Wrights admonishment of no faster than a brisk walk taxi speed. That gives an even lower measurement.

 

[A320 Driver]

Don't take too much from the judge's remark. USAPA sued the company in the NYC court so that's where any claims or evidence of company violations of the status quo would be, not in the CLT court. USAPA is the defendant in CLT so naturally is defending it's actions - saying "but they broke the law too" isn't much of a defense when you're being charged with breaking the law.

Jim

I see your point...

BUT, if they can show a verifiable safety problem exists to the judge's satisfaction, they would have a defense. I don't see that happening really but I can't wait to see how the judge words the order (or leaves it ambiguous).

Driver B)

 

[luvn737s]

Exactly the same time the parallel taxiway to 36C was completely torn up. CLT has gotten slower with the advent of the 36R operation. I don t care what you say. You are still up against Orville Wrights admonishment of no faster than a brisk walk taxi speed. That gives an even lower measurement.

Orville Wright? Really? You're dragging him into this?

 

[Move2CLT]

Once again, you fail to grasp just how far back they went to measure these metrics. If the east was consistently abiding by Orville's suggestion, then the historical data would have reflected that in the graph. Months and months of Orville taxiing would have produced a relatively flat line of taxi times with and occasional dip or climb. But May 1 shows a change in a number of metrics, not only taxi times, and the construction had nothing to do with them. If it did, Express and west ops would have shown the same deviation. I dont know if it's because took stat courses in college and grad school that I get this, but it's not that hard to comprehend. Numbers can be worked to say anything, but I've learned a good eye can always pick out the manipulation.

Ultimately, your indicting yourself for being unsafe. For the taxi speeds to suddenly show a slowing means that your history is based on faster than a brisk walk taxiing. Do you guys suddenly realize you were being unsafe? it's like these "Safety First" lanyards you were wearing - what was safety before? Second? Third? Reading prior posts it sounds like it's fifth for USAPA.

And why would a pilot even need to advertise it was first? Isn't it implied? Aren't we, as pilots, trained to operate safely at all times and to make it a number ne prioriity? It's been that way in our FOM since I was hired here.

It's probably better you not argue against the numbers. You guys sound foolish when you do so. That report that the judge is reading was written for a judge. Your mind, as well as my mind, would melt if you were exposed to the crunching part of the data that was collected.

The era of slowdowns is over. Those tricks our dads pulled many years ago are outdated. There are so many electronic ways to monitor so many parameters that nothing can be hidden. The Airbus lets MOC know at the same time I find out when something faults. The company knows when your flying slowly with the APU burning. And, as a fact, the company breaks the data down to the individual Captain. They can see your historical times from years back. They known exactly who the east trouble makers are.

 

[Move2CLT]

I see your point...

BUT, if they can show a verifiable safety problem exists to the judge's satisfaction, they would have a defense. I don't see that happening really but I can't wait to see how the judge words the order (or leaves it ambiguous).

Driver B)

The company is simply going to whip out it's awards from the FAA, IATA, and the ATA. They're going to tell the judge the DoD audits find them safe enough to be trusted with carrying our military. The MEL per aircraft per day averages all trend downward or had been until the work action.

I do believe the safety card USAPA is trying to hide behind has become the size of a postage stamp.

 

[Res Judicata]

USAPA has been an absolutely staggering waste of time, money, and energy. Sad. Sad that a minority of pilots so blinded by rage because of an unfulfilled sense of entitlement created such a worthless mess. The only people being harmed in all of this is the pilot group. Nobody else gives a damn. USAPA is about to get creamed on all fronts...The Judge and Kasher. Hopefully it's enough of a reality check the rational East, whom I believe to be the true majority, finally find the balls to stop the Madness of Mike Cleary's USAPA.

 

[luvn737s]

No, the sadness is rooted in the apathy of pilots both east and west to take control away from the AFO club. Donations on one side and union extortion under the guise of Agency Shop on the other are nothing more than the admission price to a battle waged by lawyers, rather than being fought (metaphorically, of course) by the pilots themselves through a new representation election.

Those unwilling to repudiate USAPA are giving it their tacit approval.

The "Best Money I've Ever Spent" braggadocio from both sides is galling. That same money could be invested in replacing USAPA and returned in the form of a pay increase.

 

[Move2CLT]

Well stated.

 

[767one]

The company is simply going to whip out it's awards from the FAA, IATA, and the ATA. They're going to tell the judge the DoD audits find them safe enough to be trusted with carrying our military. The MEL per aircraft per day averages all trend downward or had been until the work action.

I do believe the safety card USAPA is trying to hide behind has become the size of a postage stamp.

Excuse me but I have to ask....Does the company put an mel on aircraft that isn't broken. I also have to ask when was the summer sched. change? If a flight attendant gives you a list of 7 or 8 write ups that don't go in the CML do you ignore them even though the FDML shows the same write ups day after day and week after week.? This company tends to ignore Murphys law and Mr. Murphy has been showing up with amazing regularity. As for the FAA awards....The Faa might as well be on the payroll.

Bob

 

[Move2CLT]

Everything us written up as it's required to be written up. FA write-ups are not ignored. And since you believe the FAA is on payroll, what about the DoD? ATA?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Everything us written up as it's required to be written up. FA write-ups are not ignored. And since you believe the FAA is on payroll, what about the DoD? ATA?

ATA??? As in the Airline Industry's lobbying arm? What a cesspool of deceit those fellows are. Actually IIRC one of LimeBoy's protege's was VP of Communications if we're talking Air Transport Association

 

[Move2CLT]

ATA??? As in the Airline Industry's lobbying arm? What a cesspool of deceit those fellows are. Actually IIRC one of LimeBoy's protege's was VP of Communications if we're talking Air Transport Association

Ok then, DoD?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Ok then, DoD?

Unqualified to answer. Sorry, I don't know how the DoD and US interact. Above my pay grade

 

[cleardirect]

Excuse me but I have to ask....Does the company put an mel on aircraft that isn't broken. I also have to ask when was the summer sched. change? If a flight attendant gives you a list of 7 or 8 write ups that don't go in the CML do you ignore them even though the FDML shows the same write ups day after day and week after week.? This company tends to ignore Murphys law and Mr. Murphy has been showing up with amazing regularity. As for the FAA awards....The Faa might as well be on the payroll.

Bob

What are you guys not getting. The company has a baseline of 3 years. In May only on the east side did the stats show significant changes. It is not about the single write up. It is about the whole. The numbers show a change from May 2011 to present. Justify your write up all you want. As a group your actions have changed. RLA says status quo. Your group has not maintained status quo.

So simple even an east pilot should understand.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Excuse me but I have to ask....Does the company put an mel on aircraft that isn't broken. I also have to ask when was the summer sched. change? If a flight attendant gives you a list of 7 or 8 write ups that don't go in the CML do you ignore them even though the FDML shows the same write ups day after day and week after week.? This company tends to ignore Murphys law and Mr. Murphy has been showing up with amazing regularity. As for the FAA awards....The Faa might as well be on the payroll.

Bob

On write-ups you have something of a point - if they were followed up by maintenance repair" or MEL's one could say that they were valid. However, the company is also claiming that write-ups were delayed so as to cause delays. That is hard to prove for either side. I wouldn't be surprised if hub maintenance and/or maintenance control kept a log of the call-in times for write-ups. Something that would be found on walk-around but was called in 2 minutes before the door is supposed to be closed raises questions, for example.

You mentioned f/a items called to the captains attention. Most of those are cabin log items - reading light out, seat xx won't recline, etc - and don't need to be fixed at all, much less when they're found. That's the whole point of the cabin logbook, to record items that aren't "fix or mel". If maintenance saw a big uptick in those items appearing in the aircraft maint log it would also raise questions.

The taxi time is a different animal. If there is a sudden increase on one side of the operation, after considering factors that could have produced the change, one has to ask the obvious - were the previous taxi speeds to fast for safety or are the current slower taxi speeds due to something besides safety. As someone else said or implied, it a damned if you do damned if you don't situation for the individual pilot - slow down in the name of safety and you're admitting you were previously unsafe, say you were previously safely taxiing and you're admitting to a slowdown.

I don't know if you're familiar with the amount of data collected by the company as required by the DOT. You or anyone else can download the data showing the taxi-out and taxi-in times for every flight every day plus a lot more - air time, fuel burn, what time block-out/in occurred, etc.