F/A bump and flush on the horizon?

[l8rd8r]

Just read an email from the union addressing the possibility of displaced f/a's going to any open base and a recall of f/a's filling the blanks vs a bump and flush.

That would piss me off if I were senior and wanted to transfer but could not, yet someone losing their dom will get to pick a new dom. Am I looking at this correctly? I realize its a maybe but I want the co to know my two cents before it happens.

 

[USAirBoyA330]

All VOL transfers from that base must be honered before a displacement. So nothing to worry about there.

The E-line your speaking of.....

Over the past week I have taken several calls regarding the possible upcoming displacements from the PIT domicile and its possible impact on the more junior flight attendants in PHL. I did contact In-flight Planning in Tempe, AZ and at this point there is not a lot to report. I will attempt to pass along what we do know right now.

Since the VFLR has now closed, the company has all the data necessary to run the new staffing models. There are several different types of displacements one being an "absorption" and the other being a "bump and flush". I know most people are concerned about the bump and flush provision as outlined in Section 18-1 of our contract. I was assured that every possibility will be examined with the goal of attempting to avoid a bump and flush and minimize the numbers affected. Please keep in mind it's very disruptive to the operation and costly for the company to administer a bump and flush displacement. However, with that being said the company has not ruled out such an action. If the company anticipates the need to recall this year or there are openings projected in other bases later this year, it would not make sense to perform a bump & flush so, an absorption displacement may occur.



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This means after all the voluntary transfers are awarded the people displaced out of PIT will go to whichever base they choose and the remaining holes in the bases would be filled by involuntary furlough recalls. This was exactly what took place in the last displacement back in June 2005. This seems to be the best outcome and we can only hope in-flight will choose this course of action.

A meeting will take place between In-flight Administration and the new Director of Crew Scheduling around March 14th to run the new models. As soon as AFA is informed of the company's decision we will pass that along to the flight attendant group via the E-line.

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

would somebody please define simply what "bump & flush" and "absorption" mean with respect to displacements?
that language is unclear to me?

 

[Zarah]

would somebody please define simply what "bump & flush" and "absorption" mean with respect to displacements?
that language is unclear to me?

Absorption would mean the displaced FAs will be awarded the base of their choice regardless of if that base needs FAs or not. Nobody would be bumped out of the base.

Bump and flush would mean that the displaced FAs could use their senority to move into a base and bump a junior FA out of the base. The bumped FA could then use their senority in the same way.

You can read the details in the contract for bump and flush with regard to base downsizing/closings.

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

Absorption would mean the displaced FAs will be awarded the base of their choice regardless of if that base needs FAs or not. Nobody would be bumped out of the base.

Bump and flush would mean that the displaced FAs could use their senority to move into a base and bump a junior FA out of the base. The bumped FA could then use their senority in the same way.

You can read the details in the contract for bump and flush with regard to base downsizing/closings.

thank you!

 

[xoxo]

So, what they are saying is that after all is said and done(bump/flush/absorption)thay will recall involuntary furloughes?

 

[l8rd8r]

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This means after all the voluntary transfers are awarded the people displaced out of PIT will go to whichever base they choose and the remaining holes in the bases would be filled by involuntary furlough recalls. .
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This is what bothers me.....any holes should be up for bidding by senority and then filled with unvols.

 

[Zarah]

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This means after all the voluntary transfers are awarded the people displaced out of PIT will go to whichever base they choose and the remaining holes in the bases would be filled by involuntary furlough recalls. .
This is what bothers me.....any holes should be up for bidding by senority and then filled with unvols.

Not sure what you mean. Voluntary transfers would be given first, so if you wanted into a base I fail to see how a recalled invol would keep you from getting into that base.

 

[proudf/a]

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This means after all the voluntary transfers are awarded the people displaced out of PIT will go to whichever base they choose and the remaining holes in the bases would be filled by involuntary furlough recalls. .
This is what bothers me.....any holes should be up for bidding by senority and then filled with unvols.

I am not exactly sure what you mean by remaining holes being filled by invol recalls. I highly doubt there are going to be any holes. Yes, when the displacement from PIT occurs, those f/a's do get to choose their base. If a particular base now becomes overstaffed, and the company decides not to absorb that, they will do the bump/flush. They will displace off the bottom, those f/a's will also be able to choose their base, based on what their seniority can hold. The sad part to that story may be they are more then likely only going to be able to hold LGA/BOS/DCA, which will fill the need for more staffing in those bases. Which in turn will fill any "holes", so there will be no need to recall any invols.

 

[l8rd8r]

Not sure what you mean. Voluntary transfers would be given first, so if you wanted into a base I fail to see how a recalled invol would keep you from getting into that base.

What your saying is...Voluntary transfer would be given first even if I'm not out of pit??? See I'm from Phl. The way I read this is that the voluntary transfer are only for displace Pit people. Yes or No?

 

[Twicebaked]

All VOL transfers from that base must be honered before a displacement. So nothing to worry about there.

That is not what happened last time amd won't happen this time.

At this point PHL only has 10 openings for MAY. All transfers CANNOT be honored if the base DOES NOT have more than 10 spots.

If a displacement happens out of PIT, ONLY those more junior from PIT will be allowed into PHL (with the exception of those 10 transfers).

If you DO NOT have room for transfers, you CANNOT transfer in. I am 100% accurate on this. If displacing f/as out of PIT causes and overage in PHL, the more Junior could be bumped out....YOU CANNOT TRANSFER IN AND BUMP OUT.

So in short, ALL transfer requests CANNOT be honored as there would be no spots. According to the contract, you cannot transfer into a base and bump junior people out, which is what you would be trying to do.

Pitbull, if you are on here, or come on, explain it in more detail if you could.

This is what bothers me.....any holes should be up for bidding by senority and then filled with unvols.

The only holes seem to be in the bases that nobody wants to go to anyway. Sorry, PHL will NOT have any holes.

 

[Zarah]

"This means after all the voluntary transfers are awarded the people displaced out of PIT will go to whichever base they choose and the remaining holes in the bases would be filled by involuntary furlough recalls"


With regard to how I understood your question,

If you are active, you are senior to any invol FA. So, no matter how they do this - you should get into the base of your choice OVER a recalled FA.

If I misunderstood your question then I am sorry.

 

[Twicebaked]

If you are active, you are senior to any invol FA. So, no matter how they do this - you should get into the base of your choice OVER a recalled FA.

If I misunderstood your question then I am sorry.

Yes all actives will get their choice before a recall flight attendnat. UNLESS it would cause any type of hole or imbalance.
You never know with this place.

Keep in mind that recall is something completely different from displacement. Transfer will not be honored over a displacement. I really don't think we need to worry about that with the announcment of 375 for PHL.