I didn't know that if you dont pay the passes, before they expire at the end of the year, they will deduct an extra pass, when the person you issue the pass for, pays at the ticket counter well sorry about my ignorance but, I was under the assumption that if you list someone using the remaining passes that u have, using our great ETC they will be honored as last year passes, I learned that the hard way, I listed 3 persons and They pay on jan 2008, guess what now I only have 5 passes remaining, and another thing I, listed one person on the ETC, going somewhere and I click on submit, never got a PNR, I went back, and did list that person again, same routing, I am minus another pass and they charged my card, E-mail them because this person is not traveling again, but their answer was this person has a year to travel that pass can not go back in to your bank, or money back, (great travel privileges)....no more to tell, I hope is ok with the moderator since they threat me allready, that I will be suspended, Sorri richard, in certain countries we have FREDOOM OF SPEACH