Emb 170's In The Air

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US801 and US802 were in the air
yesterday headed north ! Couple of stops before landing in Fort Lauderdale
sometime today/tonight. Finish Customs and complete equipment installation before flying towards PIT for a Late Sunday or Monday am arrival. US803
& US 804 follow up in a couple of weeks.

Also heard sim has been re-certified and pilot training will start-up again.
 
Yes the EMB170's are coming...should be in PIT on Monday...mainline fleet service is in training right now...know of a couple furloughed mainliners working at express that were biding there time here till there MDA call backs and they have not received any word from the CO as to when this will happen.
 
801 and 802 both landed at FLL around 1130 Saturday morning, they landed only about 3 aircraft apart on 9L. They went to Customs before heading over to Embraer's FLL facility where they will probably spend the next 36-48 hours. I expect there will be photos on airliners.net Saturday night.
 
Dont blame the plane. Blame the pilots and the company who are using it to drive the industry down.

JetBlue is paying mainline wages on it.

THe profession killer here is greed, both by mgmt and a select set of senior employees who dont care about the future as long as they get out unharmed.
 
I agree. It just seems that everyone is anxious to see the arrival of this machine.
 
autofixer said:
I agree. It just seems that everyone is anxious to see the arrival of this machine.
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And why Shouldn't we?????????

Not like we're gonna see an A/B or a Boeing Anytime Soon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plus, Seems non of the other Airlines want to Hire "EXPIERENCED FLIGHT ATTENDANTS"....

So, This is something the Junior F/A's HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO !!!!!!!!
 
As an airine/commercial airliner enthusiast, I am genuinely very excited to see this aircraft "in person" and have a good look around inside. It's a really neat airliner that can serve alot of missions, short hop and longer haul, with a great comfort level. It looks like the 170 and its larger siblings will be a great product. It's almost as if the family were designed for US Airways purposes.

It's a tragedy that it will not be flown as a mainline product, and even more so that its being used to destroy not only US Airways but eventually every other US major (though US the most due to our bizarre route structure).

There's obviously some devious plan in the works (as usual), otherwise this plane would have just been another US Airways plane, operated by US Airways employees ( :shock: what a concept!). There would be a negotiated pay scale for pilots competitive with CRJ700-F100 pay sclaes. Regular F/As would work it with some concessions like no premium pay, cleaning of a/c, longer, more productive duty days etc while on EMB equiptment. We would have made it work to preserve the jobs and help the company. The Eagle contract is an insult and was forced upon us, conviniently hidden in a vague contract as an afterthought.

Jobs would have been saved, time, effort and money would have been saved, and the aircraft would have been operated by people who want the company to succeed. US would have had a huge competitive advantage (one they previously enjoyed) by flying a comfortable, mainline plane into "RJ" markets. The plane could have opened new markets in the midwest (even mountain west) that wouldnt support larger equiptment.

Costs would have been saved by having a single type from 70-100+ seats. As the North American launch customer, we'd of been ahead of the game, holding our own against other airlines RJs and LCCs. A premium cabin could be added for our frequent flyers, even drawing customers from other airlines tired of CRJs. We could also market the fact that there are no middle seats in the cabin. Our Airbus fleet could be used to take advantage of our Star/United partnerships, expanding into the West Coast and South America where we previously had little presence, and of course the Carribbean where we are strong. 737s could be replaced by the newer, more effiecient, and lower cost E195s with no scope issue.

New training facilities, management, supervisors, human resouces personell would not need to be hired, wasting more money. There would be a less divisive attitude at a company where we already have too many affiliates offering little consistency and zero flexibility and teamwork.

Oh, well, someone else will figure it out. Never old US Airways, the airline equivalent of a dying old man who still demands a carton of cigarettes a day. JetBlue will use this aircraft wisely and will take over what even they call "old USAir markets."

Some of you younger folks, remember the singer Tiffany from the 80's? She had that song "Could've been so beautiful, could've been..."

:rolleyes:
 
Having said all that I'd like to also add that I hope employees who do choose to go to MAA are not frowned upon. They didnt sign off on those contracts, the active employees did.

As Colby has pointed out, US Airways furloughees (and other airlines) are not exactly setting the world on fire when it comes to other airline employment. They don't want anyone coming from something better to stir up the pot at the LCCs, who want young, dumb, and otherwise-working-at-the-GAP, not career F/As demanding shocking things like 20k a year and decent medical benefits. <_< Regular airline employees (particularly F/As) who take commuter airline jobs have a very high turnover rate and can be intimidating to employers. Charter airlines are fine if you are OK with being away for up to 20 days, sitting alone in a hotel in Bahrain or Lornica. All of these airlines also require giving up recall rights. I fly for free on a scheduled, semi-major airline that flies most everywhere I need to go... why would I give that up to fly charter for no such benefit and an impossible lifestyle.

I've personally heard alot of snide comments and eye-rolling directed towards furloughed F/As. "Go work somewhere else." If Continental, American, or United hired tomorrow, believe me, you could take your scabby RJs and put them where the sun doesnt shine.

Some of us have college degrees, real estate liscences, second jobs or even our own businesses. But we like being flight attendants. Thats why you see some (if they were hired) on existing Express carriers (Bob even met some on Shuttle America :ph34r: ).

I honestly dont think alot of US Airways employees know what it is to work for other airlines. I love hearing "You dont want to come back here, its so awful" from a 20 F/A who has been there since there since they were 18. I'd like to see them put in a month at Mesa Airlines, Shuttle America, Omni Air, Southeast Airlines etc and see how much THEY want to go back to "mainline" US Airways. :down:

Rant over.
 
Light Years said:
They don't want anyone coming from something better to stir up the pot at the LCCs, who want young, dumb, and otherwise-working-at-the-GAP, not career F/As demanding shocking things like 20k a year and decent medical benefits. s. Charter airlines are fine if you are OK with being away for up to 20 days, sitting alone in a hotel in Bahrain or Lornica. All of these airlines also require giving up recall rights. I fly for free on a scheduled, semi-major airline that flies most everywhere I need to go... why would I give that up to fly charter for no such benefit and an impossible lifestyle.
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You are So Right On !!!!

When I went to an ATA Interview a while ago..Granted it was in CLT...But how do think I felt when asked how many in the interview were from US AIRWAYS... No other Airline was Mentioned...

At World Air.... there were a lot of other Airline F/As at that interview...a Few moved on to the 2nd Phase....

Independence Air(ACA Right Now) When I brought to the attention of the Head Recruiter that my Inflight Supervisor could Verify my Furlough Status... Was told I'd have to Resign for U.... Then, At my 1/1 interview before I even sat down she was telling me Id have to resign from U and at the 1st day of Training I would be expected to sign a Letter THEY have written...Resignation Letter.... And THEY would mail it for me...Did I just go from 30 something to 3???????


As for the Charters...OMNI #1 example...some fellow classmates work for them...are very tired of being gone WEEKS at a time......

Fun HuH........ Now do you see why it is WORTH THE WAIT ??????
 
It will be good to hear from those who get to see the 170 "up close & personal", so to speak. It's hard to tell from the pictures - at least the one's I've seen - but the size is roughly the same as the CRJ-700. About 8' shorter, 9' longer wingspan, slightly larger fuselage diameter, no T-tail, and of course sits much higher due to the wing-mounted engines.

Jim
 
BB, it sits WAY, WAY higher....you'll think someone compacted an A319, especially from behind
 
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