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A lot of uncaring folks out there. Someone lost their life it may have been a relative of you're own. Ask not for whom the bell tolls. The truth is that over booking does cause a tremendous amount of undue stress. The figure given by the company 1.4 involuntary boardings per 10000 passengers is absolutely absurdly low. The figure has to be much closer to 10 in 1000. They must not be counting those who accept a free ticket nation wide to not board.

And yes the under staffed, under paid, overworked employees are extremely rude. Welcome to the new US Airways. This airline definitely holds some culpability, the bottom line should not be the only answer especially where life is concerned. I hope the family sues and wins hugely. It will be a start at getting upper managements attention and the beginning of a conversion to a quality airline.

This management group sux and should pay for their stupidity and rudeness. The attitude of employees is driven top down by inept and drunk managers who certainly should have compassion for those how suffer from similar substance abuse. Sham on them. PUFF PUFF
 
People do dumb and/or uncaring things....what else is new. All I'm saying is that US can enforce the terms of the CofC so should also abide by it's terms. Unless, of course, you believe the CofC (or any contract) is a one-way street.

Jim

Is the captain to blame for leaving without one of his passengers? Is he liable?

Where does the blame game end?
 
Now THAT is funny! :lol:

Hey, at least I was flying (or trying to fly) NW....

Somehow, some way, they actually attempt to look after their elite...oops, someone of you hates that term....errr..."loyal" customers.

And now that I realize US is perfect in every way.....I'm going to be certain to match their perfection with my own, and show up 20 hours before boarding time for every flight.....that might be tough, considering over 30% of the flights don't operate on time.

But I'll try. 😛h34r:
Maybe the gate agent should of put her on the standby list as a top priority in front of chairman’s, platinum’s, gold, silver and denied a seat to the “their eliteâ€￾ "loyal" customers. Then this thread would be about that…
It is not easy being an gate agent trying to please every person somebody seems to always lose out on a overbook or late flight. I guess that is why agents get the BIG BUCKS NOT
 
To me at least the CoC is viewed as a one way street by management as are fare rules. The goal of both IMO is to frustrate, obfuscate and separate the customer from his/her money by what often appear to be nefarious means. This to me is true of EVERY Airline except perhaps WN.

What has me more than a little confused is why no one is crawling up the PHX Police Departments arse over this tragic death? She died in Police Custody, apparently enraged and out of control. I'm not so sure the reason why she was enraged, unstable and out of control is particularly important at this point. People who are menatally unstable don't need a real reason to go over the edge and I've been an observer or witness to more cases of abuse at the hands of local police forces then I care to remember. If we have to have a scapegoat perhaps the PHX Airport Police is a better place to look instead of US Airways.

I'm no fan of Mesa and I find the gate staff (with notable exception) to be some of the unfriendliest & unprofessional front line people I've ever met, I still don't see how you can throw this at US Airways feet. It smacks of airline bashing in some ways. Sorry to say I don't see this as a US Airways problem. The list of people and entities involved IMO is pretty long before you work your way down to US Airways.

As for the concept of individual responsibilty, that ship in this society has sailed never to return to port I'm afraid and anyone who speaks of such things is shouted down and called insensitive or worse.

agreed 100%

All this talk about overbooking and departure times are meaningless. She strangled herself while in police custody because the cops left her alone!

Someone needs an unpaid vacation from "to protect and to serve".
 
I have to say this..

I can't stand what US Airways has become...
Elise was right in her response....but sadly, this management team STILL doesn't get it. The stupidity here is that an airplane pulls from the gate, 8 minutes early, when they KNEW there was another passenger in the airport. Amazingly, the same thing happened to my wife a month ago in CLT....only it was the last flight of the day.

That's the stupidity here.

The employees can't stand what US Airways has become either. The practice of closing the door early is sometimes arbitrary, but the gate agents are trained to close out 10 minutes prior if not earlier to attempt an on time departure from the gate so we can be on time for our slot for the 30 minute taxi to the runway. Also, us airline employees with our FREE AIR TRAVEL :lol: are routinely eschewed away if the agents fall behind.
 
The employees can't stand what US Airways has become either. The practice of closing the door early is sometimes arbitrary, but the gate agents are trained to close out 10 minutes prior if not earlier to attempt an on time departure from the gate so we can be on time for our slot for the 30 minute taxi to the runway. Also, us airline employees with our FREE AIR TRAVEL :lol: are routinely eschewed away if the agents fall behind.

Well....I'm aware, very aware, of the "company policy" and for that matter the policy is standard across most of aviation. As others have said, this "policy" is not unique to US...and I'm sure other airlines will leave a passenger.

BUT...what still simply does not add up to me are these things:

1.) EVERYONE has to play by the same rules..."close out 10 minutes prior if not earlier to attempt an on time departure from the gate so we can be on time for our slot for the 30 minute taxi to the runway." CO does it from EWR and IAH....AA and UA have the same issue in ORD, AA in DFW....etc. EVERYONE has the same, ugly ATC and traffic jam realities to deal with.

2.) I've racked up close to 200,000 "Qualifying" miles on various airlines....AA, CO, DL, NW, UA, US, WN & YX. In other words, I've flow nearly everyone this year (and years past) and done so LOTS. CP with US, Platinum with CO...and then a smattering of miles on other carriers. I've been late catching a connection and STILL had my seat. I relayed the story how I did MCI-ATL-LGA a few weeks ago, paid F class on DL, was late getting into ATL at the D gates...had to go to the T gates with 12 minutes, I was the last one on the airplane and my seat was waiting for me....on a FULL airplane, Monday morning ATL-LGA. No issues. I relayed the story about a UA trip, SAT-ORD-PVD....they waited for me....yet. (I probably just jinxed myself.)

Piney says "they'll leave you," I won't dispute that, but it hasn't happened to me where I'm within 10 minutes of departure time.

3.) Yes, airplanes are full...on EVERYONE...

In other words, it's not like US has some set of bizzare "only we are handicapped" set of circumstances. Like in a football game where it's raining heavily and passing the ball isn't easy, no coach or player can complain 'cause guess what? EVERYONE plays by the same rules and has the same set of issues to deal with.

That's why I find it pathetic when Doug Parker stands on the ATC thing as the problem...and says things like "pax should be calling their congressman, not us with the delay issues." Makes me think of some minor league, hack manager blaming the poor performance of his team on rain or a soggy infield.

Yes, other airline execs have mentioned the issue. NO airline management has been as vocal as US.

SOME airlines are adopting the "we need to control what we control, our operations, we can not control ATC." AA for example is now not overselling and in fact, leaving some seats open in anticipation of "issues" like the pesky ATC.

Other airline managers, like Doug Parker and company are content to just point fingers.

So yeah, I'm aware that "S.O.P. is to get the airplane out early to sit in line and deal with the traffic jam." I know it well. But based on US horrific "ON-TIME" performance and consistent #1 ranking at the "the most complaints of anyone," I'd hazzard a guess that other airline management are finding ways to better deal with the issue.

Meanwhile, Mr. Parker is content to blame the old US for the condition of the T/A fleet...despite finding the budget to strip the domestic A320 and 321 birds quickly....he's content to blame the ATC...despite the fact that CO operates in an equally miserable EWR airspace and grabs FAR fewer complaints.....he's content to continue telling you, telling us, what passengers will and won't pay for.

I just find it amazing. Just amazing.
 
There has not been, nor will there be an occasion where US Airways will admit mistakes were made.

Unless of course, a 'resounding success' in converting to SHARES turns into a months long debacle.


What?????

US Airways is NOT at fault in this situation.

Regardless of the circumstances this woman died in POLICE custody. NOT US Airways custody.

She became irrate and police were called. That is the end of US involvement!!!!!
 
Someone needs an unpaid vacation from "to protect and to serve".

It would seem to me that when called for a problem, and the decision is made to detain such an individual, then the local law enforcement types are entering into a contract with the complaining agency and, until the individual is deemed guilty or not guilty, among other considerations, become responsible for the well-being of the individual in question.

Unless they are out-sourced renta-pigs, they should have had training in detaining people with medical and/or psychological problems. It would seem that malicious negligence would be a minimum accusation and, perhaps, second degree murder might be appropriate.

"unpaid vacation" would seem inappropriate.

As to "USAir". When a person contracts with an airline for service, I would assume that at a minimum, the airline entity would assume some responsibility for helping the other contractee complete the, well, agreed contract. Apparently that did not happen.

In my case, the door never closes before scheduled push time. No exceptions. I believe having "soft" departure times (like "ten minutes prior") creates many problems the agents, passengers and flight attendants should never have to deal with and allows management above the passenger/company interface to be incompetent fools sweeping their real problems under "the carpet".
 
"It's NOT our fault" (and I am certainly not a kool-aid drinker)
How about some personal responsibility? Personal responsibility would include this woman's family and their responsibility to assist her in actually getting to rehab.
the fault is not she took her own life and blaming us she had issuse the fault is she had a ticket, flew in on a orginating flight, and due to the several inaccurate reports she was denied boarding and due to her inbalanced state she freaked out in police custody but what drove her to do what she did the standard answer denied boarding as "she did not meet check in requirements"(standard koolaid company reply)dosent work and she went over the edge you can say what you want to but in todays sue crazy world the police, us, and the airport will be named in the lawsuit just wait all that for 8 crummy minutes
 
I stand by my brothers and sisters who work the front line everyday. All you second guessers have no idea what it's like, underpaid, understaffed, missmanaged. How many flights have you worked pilot Jim? It's easy passing judgement when you can hide behind the cockpit door. Jetmech, if you are a mechanic, who do you think deals with all the angry passengers when you slap a 5 hour ETR on an aircraft? Not you, my guess is you couldn't handle it. We deal with all the flakes, drunks, and whiners everyday. So your uninformed opinion means squat. The agent in this case acted properly, and Jim, I can think of many times one of our bold pilots passed in irate 200 pound passenger onto the 90 pound female gate agent, my hero.
 
the fault is not she took her own life and blaming us she had issuse the fault is she had a ticket, flew in on a orginating flight, and due to the several inaccurate reports she was denied boarding and due to her inbalanced state she freaked out in police custody but what drove her to do what she did the standard answer denied boarding as "she did not meet check in requirements"(standard koolaid company reply)dosent work and she went over the edge you can say what you want to but in todays sue crazy world the police, us, and the airport will be named in the lawsuit just wait all that for 8 crummy minutes

Plain and SIMPLE. She did NOT meet the check in requirements. She then attempted to gain access to the next flight through identity fraud (another pax boarding pass), and when she was denied boarding based on completely legal and rational reasons, she lost her friggen mind and by default became a guest of the PHX ATO police. It was long after she was a guest of the police that she accidentally hanged herself. Again, for those who have no brain, US AIRWAYS was not responsible for her death, either directly or indirectly. The horse is dead. Please refer all future comments and questions to the RESPONSIBLE party, the PHX ATO police. Thank you.
 
I stand by my brothers and sisters who work the front line everyday. All you second guessers have no idea what it's like, underpaid, understaffed, missmanaged. How many flights have you worked pilot Jim? It's easy passing judgement when you can hide behind the cockpit door. Jetmech, if you are a mechanic, who do you think deals with all the angry passengers when you slap a 5 hour ETR on an aircraft? Not you, my guess is you couldn't handle it. We deal with all the flakes, drunks, and whiners everyday. So your uninformed opinion means squat. The agent in this case acted properly, and Jim, I can think of many times one of our bold pilots passed in irate 200 pound passenger onto the 90 pound female gate agent, my hero.
2 thoughts here...

First, I think it's important to be careful to not be lumping pilots into one heap....much like you wouldn't want them insisting G/As are incabable of understanding true weight and balances. It's not right. I happen to know, personally, very well, the particular pilot you are calling out and I can promise you there aren't many that understand all the intricacies of what great teamwork means as well as Jim does...and that it takes GREAT teamwork, all of you working together, to make the company really go. While I have ZERO doubt you are "underpaid, understaffed and missmanaged," I'd bet you the ranch the majority of the pilots, particularly this pilot, have a better handle on your challenges then you are giving them credit for.

Two, the fact that good people like yourself, and I am sincere and mean that when I say "good people like yourself" are in a position where you are taking shots at one another, speaks VOLUMES of the horrific job The Sand Castle is doing at managing corporate culture.

I have this saying, "everything I learned in life and business I learned in a football game." So far, I have yet to see even ONE situation that doesn't apply. This one is a PERFECT example.

In a championship "winning" team, EVERY member is critical. Yeah, a QB might make more then a lineman...but guess what? Without good lineman, the QB won't be doing his job much longer. Yeah, the lineman might get paid more then the scouts...but without GREAT scouting, the lineman aren't going to have a very good handle on reading defensive blitz schemes.

IT TAKES EVERYONE, NOT JUST THE 53 PLAYERS ON THE ROSTER, IT TAKES EVERYONE IN THE ORGANIZATION TO FIELD A WINNER.

Going after a pilot or a mechanic won't get anyone very far...and pilots and mechanics going after G/As won't get anyone very far.

It takes ALL of you...Personally, if it weren't for the G/As in PVD, I'm not sure I would have made to where I was going a number of times. I NEVER miss an opportunity to say "hi" and tell them "you're the best" when I see them. F/As, same thing. And during rough weather, on a Friday night when I'm flying home from a long week on the road, there are times when I wanna hug the good people in the front end.

Lastly, I'll add this....you're right...these G/As "followed directions." Just like this weekend, when the New England Patriots SHELLACKED the Miami Dolphins, I'm sure the players followed the game plan.

But guess what? The game plan was WRONG! It didn't work...they lost...badly.

Same thing here....yes, the G/A's did their job...and followed "the game plan." But ya know what? Maybe the game plan isn't right. And thats a management (coaching) issue...

I stand by what I said....US is not to blame. No one person or people is/are to blame....but I question the "game plan."
 
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