Light Years
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mwereplanes
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The first 20 or 30 will belong to MDA. After that count on Mesa getting most of them. They will remain in U's paint but be owned and flown by Ornstein.
Thats' my prediction. It is being negotiated as I type.
mr
Thats' my prediction. It is being negotiated as I type.
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So much for "soft landing" the furloghed F/A's and Pilots.
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I am disappointed that "Express" is painted on the aircraft. Many passengers would be more comfortable if it just said "US Airways". It's part of knowing your customer, and part PR/branding. Draw your own conclusions.
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Putting Express on it is such a huge marketing gaffe that one day it'll be taught in marketing classes.
I can just see those cheesy press releases... "with large overhead bins, and a lavatory and flight attendant for added comfort".... who cares, usairways.com will still say "operated by US Airways Express, Mid Atlantic Airways"... thats when the customer will move on to see what the competition is offering.
In a customers mind Express is Express. The regional jet has gone from a welcome novelty on turboprop routes to a loathed experience on mid-haul routes that most will suffer through only once.
From a logical standpoint, there is no reason for them to not just call it US Airways. Technically, it is operated by employees on the US Airways seniority list, and is a "division" of the company. Although single class, the product is closer to an Airbus than it is to a Beechcraft or Dash 8, and in some ways superior. The aircraft has a range of 2000 or so miles and will serve markets that warrant other airlines mainline equiptment. As routes are added, you will see longer and longer routes, mosstly 737 routes.
Initially thay were to be under the main brand, and have a premium cabin. Mr. Siegel made quite a big deal about this when he toured the bases promising jobs for all and profitability nearly two years ago. Now that he's seen the willingness to sell out the more junior employees to save a precious few senior ones, things have changed. Why not put them at affiliates (where it would have to say Express on it)? The 190 is right around the corner, and that finally eliminates the need for that pesky "mainline" US Airways, clearing the way for his dream of an alliance of jaw-droppingly low-cost airlines flying as "US Airways". Anything international or transcon (which isnt much) can be flown by United Airlines, which has experience being a real airline.
Betcha they'll paint over the Express then. <_<
I can just see those cheesy press releases... "with large overhead bins, and a lavatory and flight attendant for added comfort".... who cares, usairways.com will still say "operated by US Airways Express, Mid Atlantic Airways"... thats when the customer will move on to see what the competition is offering.
In a customers mind Express is Express. The regional jet has gone from a welcome novelty on turboprop routes to a loathed experience on mid-haul routes that most will suffer through only once.
From a logical standpoint, there is no reason for them to not just call it US Airways. Technically, it is operated by employees on the US Airways seniority list, and is a "division" of the company. Although single class, the product is closer to an Airbus than it is to a Beechcraft or Dash 8, and in some ways superior. The aircraft has a range of 2000 or so miles and will serve markets that warrant other airlines mainline equiptment. As routes are added, you will see longer and longer routes, mosstly 737 routes.
Initially thay were to be under the main brand, and have a premium cabin. Mr. Siegel made quite a big deal about this when he toured the bases promising jobs for all and profitability nearly two years ago. Now that he's seen the willingness to sell out the more junior employees to save a precious few senior ones, things have changed. Why not put them at affiliates (where it would have to say Express on it)? The 190 is right around the corner, and that finally eliminates the need for that pesky "mainline" US Airways, clearing the way for his dream of an alliance of jaw-droppingly low-cost airlines flying as "US Airways". Anything international or transcon (which isnt much) can be flown by United Airlines, which has experience being a real airline.
Betcha they'll paint over the Express then. <_<
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not one good thing can be said about this plane and the future. How can anyone get excited about $8.00 hr jobs. Who cares? It isnt like someone is getting so excited to go work for mda. Shame how the pilots were sold down the river 2 years ago- give us concessions and all the junior guys can have a job at mda. That sure is not turning out to what they were told. You cannot believe a word these guys say.
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Sad thing is, as a stand alone airplane, its awesome, and really should be something to be excited about. Thats been ruined by US Airways and its ability to save a penny and lose a dollar with povert wages and a convoluted mess of an Express "network".
Theres no reason this plane couldn't have just had a negotiated pay rate for pilots and the same pay rate for flight attendants (with some adjusted work rules). Theres no need for a division/new airline, whatever it is this week.
Theres no reason this plane couldn't have just had a negotiated pay rate for pilots and the same pay rate for flight attendants (with some adjusted work rules). Theres no need for a division/new airline, whatever it is this week.
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Wow!! That is one sexy airplane! True, as some have posted, the "Express" word will chase away customers!
I would love to get my hands on a machine like that ... a mini 737! Reminds me in size (only) of the venerable BAC-111. Unfortunately the pay rates remind me of the BAC-111 also! That would be what the "Rocket" paid back in 1967 when I started with Mohawk!
Is not that a sad statement? All those years of negotiating salaries and working conditions have gone down the tubes! IMHO tho, we Americans are very much at fault. Our desire for bargains have created the Costco and WalMarts that have driven our local stores out of business. American jobs are now in India, China, Korea, Mexico ... the list goes on and on! Is it any wonder that the same senareo has occurred in the Aviation world??
The many posters on this Forum who think for one moment that they can stop this dramatic change in the Aviation industry are foolish. A job is a job ... and it pays what the "market" demands. There are far too many talented folks out there in need of a job ... therefore pay rates will come down. I have no doubt that this is a cycle and will improve. But then again, it is only my opinion.
Best to All!
I would love to get my hands on a machine like that ... a mini 737! Reminds me in size (only) of the venerable BAC-111. Unfortunately the pay rates remind me of the BAC-111 also! That would be what the "Rocket" paid back in 1967 when I started with Mohawk!
Is not that a sad statement? All those years of negotiating salaries and working conditions have gone down the tubes! IMHO tho, we Americans are very much at fault. Our desire for bargains have created the Costco and WalMarts that have driven our local stores out of business. American jobs are now in India, China, Korea, Mexico ... the list goes on and on! Is it any wonder that the same senareo has occurred in the Aviation world??
The many posters on this Forum who think for one moment that they can stop this dramatic change in the Aviation industry are foolish. A job is a job ... and it pays what the "market" demands. There are far too many talented folks out there in need of a job ... therefore pay rates will come down. I have no doubt that this is a cycle and will improve. But then again, it is only my opinion.
Best to All!
While checking out the Emb-170, I found some pics of the EMB-190..follow the link.
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.cgi?181133
http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/show.cgi?181133
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I actually do not work for US Airways, nor have I for quite some time now- my job was replaced long ago! I do, however, still think of it as "my airline".
I do, however, still think of it as "my airline". 
