DL expands SEA further with SEA-SFO flights

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

 
When you add regionals into the mix, you'll find that Skywest is flying more segments for AA @ LAX than they are for DL. That's just going to increase the gap, not close it.

 
So then based on the enplaned passengers data that is available on BTS, when the regionals are included, DL is not withing 10% of AA/US at LAX?  Just as I suspect.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

I am not including AS in anyone's count in any city because codeshare capacity can't be allocated to any carrier... that is true in LAX or SEA.

Seats in all cases are for the mainline carrier and the regional carriers they directly control...

E is correct that AA is utilizing SkyWest which also operates for DL and UA... the division of passengers using BTS data is impossible given multiple codesharing. That is why DOT revenue data is necessary to actually know who gets what in terms of share.

 
Wouldn't it be better to then use the # of passengers carried by each carrier to measure performance?

 

[WorldTraveler]

So then based on the enplaned passengers data that is available on BTS, when the regionals are included, DL is not withing 10% of AA/US at LAX?  Just as I suspect.

read again... I did not make the statement that there is a 10% difference between DL and AA right now, esp. right after the merger.
My statement is based on schedule data.... the BTS does not report schedule data.

Also, regional carriers such as SkyWest fly for multiple carriers so it is impossible to allocate passengers to their mainline partners using BTS data.

The regional carriers fly FOR their network carriers. It is absolutely important to properly allocate the right capacity and the right passengers carried to the right carrier who gets the revenue.

 

[Silver Meteor]

The bottom line in all of this discussion and other discussions right now DL is making more money than other airlines combined.  Their market value is more than other airlines combined.  They are doing a lot correct.  Where will everybody be in five years...who knows.
 
People say, DL better be aware of other airlines now that the mergia mania is temporarly over with.  Flip it around, DL is going no where, and other airlines need to realize they still need to be aware of DL.
 
Still enjoy your posts WT.  They are extremely informative.  Keep them up.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

read again... I did not make the statement that there is a 10% difference between DL and AA right now, esp. right after the merger.
My statement is based on schedule data.... the BTS does not report schedule data.

Also, regional carriers such as SkyWest fly for multiple carriers so it is impossible to allocate passengers to their mainline partners using BTS data.

The regional carriers fly FOR their network carriers. It is absolutely important to properly allocate the right capacity and the right passengers carried to the right carrier who gets the revenue.

 
In post #310 you said:  "DL not only has grown LAX to within 10% of the combined AA/US operation and also has an operation at SEA that will be 60% of the size of DL's operation at LAX."
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/56194-dl-expands-sea-further-with-sea-sfo-flights/?p=1046688
I read that as DL moves almost as much passengers at LAX as AA/US combined - meaning that DL has at least 16% or more share of the market (which is minimum that DL needs to be within 10% of AA alone, since AA alone has over 18% at LAX, not counting Eagle + Skywest + US, which would ofcourse be way more than 18%).
 
Then you've clarified that  your statement in post #310 is based on the # of seats in future schedules.
 
English is not my first language, but it sure does seems to me that you're making statements with loose numbers/math hoping that whatever error in math or conclusions you make gets lost in the 5000 word post.
 
OK, whatever.

 

[WorldTraveler]

thanks, Silver Meteor. I do receive feedback from people who appreciate the contributions I make here.

Frugal,
I would have NEVER perceived that English wasn't your first language. your communication is very clear.

The point is that DL is aggressively growing its west coast presence much faster than other carriers.

BTW, WN's schedule for the summer is out and it looks like they are adding several flights to the west including from PDX and SEA to SoCal.
Also adding ATL-SFO on top of UA and ATL-SEA on top of AS.

the summer ahead will be interesting.

 

[topDawg]

Delta.com shows 3 flights/day SEA-ANC). Use Friday June 6 as an example day.

DL has long flown ATL, MSP, and SLC to ANC in the summer along with MSP-FAI.

Let us know what parts of the discussion between MAH, Comm, and I you seem to disagree with.

Dawg is correct that Tech Ops is a profit center for DL and helps to keep DL's maintenance costs the lowest among network carriers, which in turn makes it possible for DL to economically operate an older and diverse fleet.

ATL-ANC came back last year, cut most merger. 
 
and your right, I was looking on the 2nd. 
 
Delta also use to have SLC-FAI. 
 
and nah....no need for me to jump into yalls pissing contest. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

AS has jumped in to SLC-BOI, LAS, and SFO.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/alaska-airlines-adds-more-salt-130000324.html

Next, DL?

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

AS has jumped in to SLC-BOI, LAS, and SFO.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/alaska-airlines-adds-more-salt-130000324.html

Next, DL?

4 daily to Vegas from SLC?  Although it is on a Q400, but still ... ... ... 

 

[Kev3188]

SLC-LAS? I'm sure that'll be a world beater yield-wise...

 

[WorldTraveler]

at one time, US had a higher share of the SLC-LAS market than DL did... not sure if that is still true but it is a crowded market and yields will fall.

Goes to show that this shootout between AS and DL is indeed affecting other carriers including AA and UA.

BTW, AS is adding just 2 RTs, 4 flts total

 

[eolesen]

I'm sure that AA and UA are shaking in their boots (Justin Boots @ AA, and snow boots @ UA).

Then again, neither AA or UA seem to have done anything in response to the AS/DL pissing contest.

If anyone will, VX is going to feel the pain of anything significant happening on the West Coast.

 

[LD3]

Is AS healthy enough to maintain a long campaign against DL?

 

[WorldTraveler]

I didn't say that AA or UA were shaking in their boots - but the notion that this won't affect other carriers including AA and UA is simplistic.
Yes, I think VX is most impacted but SLC is not a terribly large market and AA and UA are much more likely to be impacted as the "battle" spreads beyond SEA.

In terms of sheer numbers of seats, DL has added far more seats than AS has and AS has also seen added seats by UA in SEA-SFO and now WN from PDX and SAN.

 

[Kev3188]

Is AS healthy enough to maintain a long campaign against DL?

 
I think so...
 
If nothing else, I think they'll go down swinging...