Where do you get this from? The pilots will be offered the same early outs
as the rest of the employees.
The subject was about furloughs and Delta stated that they don't see any, even
with the economy the way it is.
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as the rest of the employees.
The subject was about furloughs and Delta stated that they don't see any, even
with the economy the way it is.
with a confirmation in place, any further delay would be a mistake..on top of it all..(such as the seniority integration lawsuits.., ext)
is it even possible seniority is discussed?
Kev3188
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The A/C fleet reduction was mentioned in the 1Q results. In a memo we all received in April, Hank Halter stated the following (bold print is my own):
"As a result, we are taking actions to mitigate the impact of the economic recession. Our international markets have been hit hard with significantly lower demand and yield, so we announced in March that we plan to reduce international capacity by 10% beginning in September compared to the prior year to more closely match capacity to demand. To improve profitability in our cargo operation, we will ground our entire fleet of 14 B747-200 freighter aircraft at the end of this year due to this fleet’s age and inefficiency. The reductions in domestic and international capacity, combined with the discontinuation of dedicated freighter flying will result in a removal of 40-50 aircraft from the fleet this year. In addition, we announced this morning that we will charge a $50 fee for customers to check a second bag for international travel beginning July 1. These actions are necessary to ensure the fundamentals of our business remain strong, so that once the economic outlook improves, Delta is best positioned to take advantage of the global recovery."
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HottootrotNyc
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Hopefully if the union isn't voted in and they do need to furlough flight attendants, they don't do it out of seniority order to keep the speakers. I hope that people do take the early out, if not, it's a strong possibility that they would do that to protect the "product"..... 🙄
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"No frontline employees will lose their jobs."
Are furloughs, layoffs, displacement only important when they concern pilots? What about the DL ACS employees that are losing their jobs? Oh I guess at DL if your job is eliminated in your home city, and they have an opening (at another city of Delta's choice), that doesnt count as a layoff?
I believe it was for a limited time though, the clause lasts only two years?
Kev3188
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I personally never believed that was a promise that could be kept.
probably if that individual happens to be a pilot and the furlough involves "pilots"
it may be very inconvenient having to re-locate to another city or transfer to another base..(if a base closed..ext as what has happened in the past for Flight Attendants when they closed the ORD base) but you know in this industry....base closures, downsizing..happens. they need to carefully take many other people into consideration...employee's families too.
fortunately for Flight Attendant ORD is re-opening for a limited time, but it is opening and I hope that will mean 'long term' for those who want to be back at their former base.
that is one reason why I strongly feel it is imperative, the employee has a say in how these situations are handled, in that one regard, having something..(anything) in writing may be something to consider.
ultimately however, it is completely understandable how some people may view that situation..as a layoff (even if a job is offered somewhere else) ..as it is very difficult for parents to take their children out of schools, selling a home relocating to a different city, especially in this economy...(there may be a situation where someone just cannot re-locate at all) so, they need to try and keep their most loyal and dedicated work force at their stations(especially those on the ground) if possible, while remembering a job is more than just a title or position it also can affect many other lives.
we dont need any more unnecessary stress at this time.. while attempting to focus being the worlds premier airline.. if the bottom line is simply trying to save a buck.
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Layoffs happen all the time,, even in the best of times in our industry, a schedule change, downsizing a/c for a certain route, we understand. But it's the constant lies by the CLT that is just plain WRONG. Richard Anderson even uses the word "zero" and "frontline employee." Just tell the TRUTH, the company is making adjustments to the headcount.
This must be a scripted message being pounded down from the CLT. "We don't layoff here at Delta", then they layoff in FLL, and soon in TPA. Who is he trying to fool, the flying public, the government, the employees, WHO?
if that actually happens..layoffs in the best of times..there is an issue regarding how a company is being managed..but you know.. I get what you are saying overall..
well, to be quite frank, I dont always understand that or even find it justifiable..such as, taking a mainline aircraft and substituting for a RJ on a 2 hour plus flight that use to offer first class cabins, hot meals and ample head room. (while understanding there is an actual need for regional services, sometimes it seems its being applied to routes that should be flown on a larger aircraft in this industry).
you know a lot of that depends on the wording.. who are the "frontline" I have a general idea who that may be, but to someone else it may mean something completely different.. unless there is specific wording that clearly states..for example.. there will be no layoffs of Flight Attendant..ext. then frontline can be anyone, it can be the CEO, it can be employees at a regional carrier, it can be a dozen employees at one station.
so in a way its not exactly..not telling the truth, it is just a general comment that does not necessarily specify who the frontline may be.
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Dig,
Actually, Delta does define "frontline.
Here ya go!
"frontline (n., adj.) Always one word; no hyphen. At Delta, most people consider frontline employees to be those who meet or "touch" the customer in one way or another. This group would include (but is not limited to) customer service agents, reservation sales representatives, pilots and flight attendants. According to the HR definition, however, frontline employees are defined as those whose pay is based on pay scales. This includes (but is not limited to) mechanics, flight attendants, ramp workers, CSAs, and reservation reps. Although pilots have a separate pay scale based on their union contract, they are also considered frontline employees. Nonfrontline employees are those in graded positions whose pay is merit-based, including clerical, professional, managerial and executive personnel."
Now can we determine if lies are being told?
Thanks 2BNB..
as mentioned earlier, I just do not necessarily believe or feel every promise made can always be delivered..(including life in general)
therefore I assume it is up to the individual to determine.. if a 'promise' made that is not necessarily able to be carried through is actually not being truthful or simply cannot deliver because sometimes 'life' gets in the way..
personally I tend to think the later...(most of the times)
just like on the plane I cannot promise a passenger will make a connection or they will hold a flight, so I simply show genuine concern.. yet inform them to please speak with a representative at the desk inside the terminal building, as that person will be able to help them with the most up-to date information.
I have learned..do not promise something to someone unless it is absolutely a fact it can be carried through or specifically in writing that says it must be..or simply just dont make the promise in the first place.
in general terms..someone may have good intent and then promise something but not able to carry it though does not mean initially, they were lying in the beginning..(when the promise was first made).
as mentioned earlier, I just do not necessarily believe or feel every promise made can always be delivered..(including life in general)
therefore I assume it is up to the individual to determine.. if a 'promise' made that is not necessarily able to be carried through is actually not being truthful or simply cannot deliver because sometimes 'life' gets in the way..
personally I tend to think the later...(most of the times)
just like on the plane I cannot promise a passenger will make a connection or they will hold a flight, so I simply show genuine concern.. yet inform them to please speak with a representative at the desk inside the terminal building, as that person will be able to help them with the most up-to date information.
I have learned..do not promise something to someone unless it is absolutely a fact it can be carried through or specifically in writing that says it must be..or simply just dont make the promise in the first place.
in general terms..someone may have good intent and then promise something but not able to carry it though does not mean initially, they were lying in the beginning..(when the promise was first made).
