Delts urges swift confirmation of NMB Nominee

[Dignity]

There is not an FAA requirement that all FA's be trained on all equipment before granting a SOC. What would be required is to somehow split the FA group up - say only train FA's on the planes that are in their base, at least until all are trained on all equipment.

that makes sense to me...planes positioned at base..ext..strictly in order to obtain an SOC, other training such as 777 could come at a later time..

Of course, that could present some operational problems when a FA needs replacing and the FA's at that base aren't trained on the right equipment. You can think of this as sorta like pilot's training for an SOC - they're only trained on the new policy/procedures/checklists for the plane they're flying, not all airplanes since when they switch airplanes they'll be trained on the integrated policy/procedures/checklists for the new airplane.

to me, it would seem that it would be important to be trained on all aircraft that is utilized domestically, 320, 757, 737..ext or used both Internationally/Domestically, such as a 767..(or what aircraft is positioned at a specific base) because it would be more common to be re-routed domestically than internationally on those type aircrafts..as opposed to a 777 or 744 that is primary used for nonstop International, still subject to re-routes, but not necessarily as often.

then after the SOC is in place, the additional training such as 777 could be accomplished later 2010, with a goal of training all Flight Attendants on all equiptment types.

Someone also mentioned that the training was in two parts, one of which was airplane training and the other integration training. From the way that sounds (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) it may be possible to have all the FA's complete the airplane training so the FAA will issue the SOC, but not have the integration training (I'm assuming that's service procedures type stuff) completed by every FA yet.

Integration training is done first and then aircraft...Integration is not really "service" training (as we are offering DAL inflight products/service, safety demo, uniforms.. at this time on NW aircraft) what it seems to be ..policies and procedures.. it appears a condensed version of DAL initial training and then you go to aircraft training.

 

[BABABOOY]

Someone also mentioned that the training was in two parts, one of which was airplane training and the other integration training. From the way that sounds (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) it may be possible to have all the FA's complete the airplane training so the FAA will issue the SOC, but not have the integration training (I'm assuming that's service procedures type stuff) completed by every FA yet.

Jim

I think it may be the other way around. All Pre-merger NW F/A's complete integration
training first. Priority. And then concentrate on A/C training for the rest of the F/A population.

 

[BoeingBoy]

that makes sense to me...planes positioned at base..ext..strictly in order to obtain an SOC, other training such as 777 could come at a later time..

I have no idea how DL has handled it in the past or intends to handle it in the future. US at one time had international (trans-Atlantic) as a separate FA bid in the bases that had the international flights - the international FA's flew international all the time and the other FA's (even in the same base) didn't fly international at all. Of course there were international reserves and "domestic" reserves (domestic = everything but the trans-Atlantic),

That was later changed to anyone in the bases that had international trips could fly international and all in the base were qualified on the wide bodies as well as narrow bodies.

It may have even changed again since I retired, given the number of changes due to the HP merger. Of course, it helps when the airline only has 2 wide body fleet types.

Jim

 

[BABABOOY]

So take a deep breath. BB--you have plenty of time to fly 744s and A330s, even DC9s if you want. Likewise, Dignity...you will have 777, 67, 37 to fly before you know it.
Truly, patience is a virtue.
Inhale, Exhale, Inhale, Exhale...aaaahhhhh

Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? 😀

 

[BABABOOY]

Senate confirmed Linda Puchala to the National Mediation Board.
Now lets get on with it AFA...

The U.S. Senate has confirmed the Obama administration’s nominee for the mediation board over airline labor disputes, a pick that also had the support of Delta Air Lines Inc. and the labor union for pre-merger Northwest Airlines flight attendants.


http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories...18/daily98.html

 

[Dignity]

Senate confirmed Linda Puchala to the National Mediation Board.
Now lets get on with it AFA...

that is great news!

resolution is highly in order.. (I hope this means an election forthcoming..)

 

[dapoes]

that is great news!

resolution is highly in order.. (I hope this means an election forthcoming..)

Rumor has it that they are adjusting their budgets for "worse case scenario" if they lose income from NWA. Theres and additional 25% gain in revenue if DAL votes yes or a 13% loss of NWA revenue if it fails. Theres a lot of money riding on this election and as it is they seem to be hurting.

Dont be too surprised if this gets strung out even longer just so they can try to "game" the election to hilt.

 

[Airlinelifer]

Senate confirmed Linda Puchala to the National Mediation Board.
Now lets get on with it AFA...

The U.S. Senate has confirmed the Obama administration’s nominee for the mediation board over airline labor disputes, a pick that also had the support of Delta Air Lines Inc. and the labor union for pre-merger Northwest Airlines flight attendants.


http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories...18/daily98.html

Thanks for the link. What I found disturbing was what I saw on the same page, the "related news window". The title of the story "Delta CEO hails new pact, restates goal of zero layoffs". I guess the Delta ACS employees in FLL werent laid off a couple of weeks ago, maybe they were furloughed, or displaced, vanished? It really takes some gall to comment to the media and just out and out LIE.

 

[HottootrotNyc]

How about the fact that they just announced they will be laying off pilots...... And they are going to ground over 40 jets.

 

[Kev3188]

Thanks for the link. What I found disturbing was what I saw on the same page, the "related news window". The title of the story "Delta CEO hails new pact, restates goal of zero layoffs". I guess the Delta ACS employees in FLL werent laid off a couple of weeks ago, maybe they were furloughed, or displaced, vanished? It really takes some gall to comment to the media and just out and out LIE.

Ditto TPA, EWR, and a few cities on the NW side staring down the barrel of furloughs.

How about the fact that they just announced they will be laying off pilots...... And they are going to ground over 40 jets.

Exactly. Couple that with the demand drop off after September, and look for the hammer to fall hard & fast system wide.

 

[dapoes]

Ditto TPA, EWR, and a few cities on the NW side staring down the barrel of furloughs.




Exactly. Couple that with the demand drop off after September, and look for the hammer to fall hard & fast system wide.

You would be just giddy if that happens, wouldnt you?

 

[Kev3188]

Why would I ever be "giddy" about people being shown the door?

Do tell.

 

[Dignity]

Exactly. Couple that with the demand drop off after September, and look for the hammer to fall hard & fast system wide.

well they did announce capacity cuts well in advance.. that is one reason why I wish our union would have been addressing an election sooner, but oh well..I guess they know what they are doing.. hopefully with the confirmation someone starts to get their act together and gets in gear..

we have already witnessed the tragic unfolding of PFAA (our former union delaying for nearly two years and then scramble at the end and screw it all up by tossing it all out the window...) that is why issues should be addressed timely IMO.. so, I certainly hope that does not repeat by delaying this election and then..scrambling at the end or in the middle of capacity cuts to get something done so the group can combine...

regardless that is probably an incentive to get the ball rolling and have an election. If there is to be representation, having a contract or at least an idea of some protections might be a good thing in a capacity cut. but regardless..time will only tell.

I hope..(as in the case in the past) voluntary leaves offset any furlough if it ever came to that, which more than likely would be the case as before and just recently for Flight Attendants.

 

[HottootrotNyc]

I hope..(as in the case in the past) voluntary leaves offset any furlough if it ever came to that, which more than likely would be the case as before and just recently for Flight Attendants.

Well here is the problem with the way Delta might furlough F/A's. Delta being non-union and if the election fails and they continue to stay a non-union airline will allow Delta to furlough out of order. I've seen not long ago that they were hiring Japenese speakers for JFK. At all airlines, except Delta, the most junior go first, at Delta they might just furlough out of order and keep the "Speakers". For some odd reason they feel "Speakers" really up the product they offer and it really doesn't, as Continental has learned from past staffing levels and have reduced them. One or two max are enough for an aircraft and only our 777's are staffed with 3, and I still feel that is to much.


In Delta's picture perfect non-union world, if the seniority list is merged and then they have the need to furlough and don't get enough early leaves or retirements. The people who think they are safe from furlough might just not be, and could actually be the first to go while they keep the junior LOD's. So I hope for the NWA F/A's sake and my junior former co-workers, that a F/A furlough in a non-union enviroment will not happen. If it does, it won't be pretty...... :unsure:

 

[HottootrotNyc]

Hopefully if the airline remains non-union it doesn't furlough out of seniority to keep the speakers. I bet the NWA people will REALLY love the "Delta culture" then *IF* it might happen, and I hope since I have been through non-union furloughs, it doesn't happen.