Delta to discontinue ATL-Dubai Flights.

[WorldTraveler]

uh.. you would have to be naïve to think that DL and AS WOULDN'T cancel the agreement when they could.

but they still have one that requires minimum performance requirements for both sides.

And if you think AS will pull out all the stops, you would be equally naïve to believe that DL won't do what it needs to do as well.

And all of AS' flights to DL hubs will not work near as well after the agreement is gone.

Given that DL had the highest operating margin of the big 3 and based on 3rd quarter revenues was the largest US airline in the 3rd quarter, DL is not exactly at a loss to defend itself

 

[jcw]

In case folks are confused this is a DL board and does not have anything to do with aA MIA hub

 

[WorldTraveler]

and the principle remains that whatever hub is being discussed, int'l flights don't exist based on local O&D. There has to be feed on both ends. The ME3 are decimating traffic on US carrier middle east flights.

 

[Kev3188]

EK  looks at adding DXB-ATL...
 
http://atwonline.com/open-skies/emirates-refutes-delta-s-dubai-claim-studies-atlanta-route?NL=ATW-04&Issue=ATW-04_20151030_ATW-04_599&sfvc4enews=42&cl=article_1&utm_rid=CPEN1000000421061&utm_campaign=4185&utm_medium=email&elq2=ceacf5bb27d64f19ac610d25acffe7cd

 

[WorldTraveler]

Of course they are. They will just have to do it without any feed on the ATL end if this plays out as expected

 

[MAH4546]

EK does not need feed on the ATL end to fill a flight to Dubai, just like QR and TK won't when they start service next year. Atlanta is a large local market. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

Perhaps not. But the ATL to India market is only so big. Since WN doesn't interline can you think of any ME3 gateway with no feed from the largest carriers?

 

[jcw]

and the principle remains that whatever hub is being discussed, int'l flights don't exist based on local O&D. There has to be feed on both ends. The ME3 are decimating traffic on US carrier middle east flights.

So when DL flies JFK to ZRH or ATL to VCE the only way they can make it work is to have feed on both ends - that's sad that DL is the only airline that can't make an international route unless it has feed on both ends - maybe they should keep some interline agreements

 

[WorldTraveler]

As usual you twist what was said. DL feeds it's international flights on at least one end with few exceptions like PHL to LHR. Since you mentioned ZRH can you tell us how many seats there are on all carriers to ZRH vs DXB?

 

[Kev3188]

So when DL flies JFK to ZRH or ATL to VCE the only way they can make it work is to have feed on both ends - that's sad that DL is the only airline that can't make an international route unless it has feed on both ends - maybe they should keep some interline agreements

Seems reasonable...

 

[jcw]

As usual you twist what was said. DL feeds it's international flights on at least one end with few exceptions like PHL to LHR. Since you mentioned ZRH can you tell us how many seats there are on all carriers to ZRH vs DXB?

Changing subjects again to the number of seats to ZRH - back on topic - you stated routes need feed in each side - tough one

 

[WorldTraveler]

Feed and market size ARE the issue. You threw a red herring regarding ZRH but don't want to look at the facts of the statement you made. ZRH is a far larger market but has far fewer seats and cities in the US with flights than DXB. You never hold up well under cross examination which is what happens when your presence here is driven by shtick instead of substance

 

[jcw]

Look who is talking - if poor old DL can't make a route work it's their fault no one else's - DXB has lots of financial entities like SIN and has O&D traffic for certain industries - DL's product doesn't cut it in the route so they folded up tent

It's a brilliant strategic move by DL

Amazing attempts at spin on your part

 

[WorldTraveler]

see I told you that you only know how to throw rocks instead of deal with the facts.

Since you won't do your homework, I have done it for you.

For this month, there are an average of 2842 seats per day from the US to ZRH on all carriers.

ZRH is an outstanding medium sized hub that is well connected to the world. LX is a member of an alliance that involves a big 3 carrier and yet all 3 US carriers serve ZRH.

IN contrast, there are on average 6328 seats per day from the US to DXB. Only 2 US carriers serve DXB and in a couple of months it will be just UA... for now. EK is not part of any global alliance and yet has over 93% of the seats between the US and DXB. ZRH is an arguably better hub and far better suited to connect to more of the world than DXB from the US.

You made the comparison to ZRH.

You threw in product. and so did E.

and yet it is clear that there is a huge excess of seats to DXB that has nothing to do with product. and if DL's product is so inferior and is the driver, then what does it say that DL and UA are the only two US carriers that serve the Arab Middle East and both also will continue to serve TLV?

(Deleted by moderator), product has nothing to do with it. DL and UA and AA all have essentially the same product to every other destination and make it work to those destinations... including competing very successfully against Asian carriers that are considered to have a far higher product. Interestingly, again, DL and UA have more service to Asia so their product apparently is "good enough" to compete in those markets. In fact, BKK is one city where DL is the only US carrier that serves the market. UA pulled out. AA never has flown to BKK so far as I know.

There are plenty of global companies in those Asia markets plus ZRH. Far more than to DXB.

Under cross examination your arguments wilt against the reality that ZRH, a far larger market in Europe, has 40% of the seats that exist between the US and DXB and all 3 US global carriers manage to serve ZRH.

wanna come up with another fib to try to justify your mud throwing or perhaps you want to just give up and admit that DL and UA actually have served the Middle East but can't compete against the enormous amount of capacity?

 

[jcw]

Wow