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I understand the concept of a contract quite well and also understand that DL is not in compliance with the terms regarding JV.
But just because DL cannot meet the terms of the contract does not mean that ALPA will succeed in getting them to fly more flights to meet the requirements of a clause which perhaps cannot be met any longer or succeed at getting a pay raise to compensate for the clause no longer working as it once did.
.Ok so you say you get how a contract works then turn around and say pretty much a company making 1B+ shouldn't have to honor the agreement signed?
The simple fact is that DL started the process a year ago of pulling down TATL capacity based on what it saw as significant changes in the market. The fact that other carriers have reported significantly worse financial results (lower RASM) on their TATL operations than DL shows DL made the right decision. The question then is to make the pilot contract fit the market realities.no see DELTA DOESN"T GET TO DO WHATEVER IT WANTS TO DALPA MEMBERS. They signed a contract, they agreed to the terms if it goes to arbitration Delta will get to pay DALPA or add capacity. Period. Delta has no judge to hide behind, this world doesn't work like you make it out to be.
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It is very possible that DALPA will ask for increased pay, but again let's remember that DL pilots are the highest paid network carrier pilots. no they aren't. WN/UPS and FX all make more. Yes, WN pilots make more but remember that their leadership is telling them their pay is unsustainably high.no GK said they have to cut cost, but something about that...if other airliens cost get to their levels then he will shut up. He just is playing on a level playing field now. The chances that there will be significant increases in pilot salaries in the US are very slim, esp. considering where AA is and the fact that UA apparently is not very interested in completing labor integration because doing so will require them to shell out alot more cash to their employees - cash they cannot afford to pay. None of that has to do with DL, Delta did its BK run, bring up AA means nothing to post BK labor groups. Sucks for AA, really does, but we did it, and just because they are taking it in the shorts doesn't mean the rest of the carriers get to use that as an excuse. AAhas a judge to hide behind. Delta doesn't.
Sure, RJ scope could be pulled back but let's also keep in mind that DL is moving more aggressively at pulling down small RJ capacity than any other network carrier. Sure, what may be left are the 70-76 seaters but when half of DL's RJ capacity is via 50 seaters, significant cuts in 50 seat flying does translate into less "outsourced" capacity to regional carriers. Here is an idea...no more DCI. Fixes that problem. Dump the 50 seaters and bring the mainline jets back home.
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I still argue that if DL succeeds in acquiring a significant portion of AA's LHR operations (or anyone else's for that matter), DL might be content to scale back the JV, esp. since AF is going through a significant restructuring and they/KL provide most of DL's current LHR slots. If DL can gain LHR access on its own then it might be alot necessary to have a JV when you can provide 80% of what your passengers need on your own aircraft... and obviously the pilots would be happy to see reductions in the amount of flying done by other carriers.
But remember that DL has picked up some of the flying for AF (ORD and SEA to CDG) and could pick up even more since DL is a lower cost producer than AF. The pilots would have to consider how much of that flying DL would do if a JV was terminated. DL obviously operates an enormous amount of capacity into AMS and CDG that is part of the JV. DL could choose to reduce the size of the JV - and it might make sense to do so to protect DL from AF's losses - but for now DL pilots might be able to pick up more and more JV flying while AF works itself through their restructuring.
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Having an open pilot contract would be a distraction in merger activity and DL did gain a huge advantage in the DL/NW merger by getting the pilots to agree to a contract before the merger - but keep in mind that a disproportionate amount of potential growth for DL through merger/acquisition or internally will come in int'l markets.
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Bottom line is that fixing the JV requirements needs to be done... but it is relatively small in the scope of issues facing US airline pilots overall and it is also in DL and DALPA's interest to work together to go after whatever opportunities that might arise, including the ability to expand DL's international system, the most likely place where merger/acquisition activity will occur.
It was precisely the fact that DL and NW pilots recognized the value of that transaction that they quickly came to agreement - and the benefit was significant growth over the Pacific.
no its not small. If Delta gives all of its international routes to AF and becomes a US feeder to them then its a pretty darn big problem for employees yes?
oh and WT, don't expect to much of the love between DALPA and management to keep up. After the joke that was openers i expect DALPA will be feeling the heat(again) from its members. I truly expect ALPA will not be the pilots union at Delta Air Lines by 2014.