Delta reports record profit for Q4

[metopower]

Okay, if we're going to mix and match;

My dues were $564 yearly. Since we're no longer represented, if I want to maintain the same level of insurance coverage for my family, it'll be $648 more per year than I pay now. Just to, you know, be fair that's premiums only. If I need new knee pads or rain gear I'll now be paying for those as well. Safety shoes? No reimbursement, since I refuse to buy shoes I have to walk in all day sight unseen. The list goes on and on...

Meto, I'm surprised to see you throw the "dues bogeyman" out there. You aren't one of those guys that thinks it's okay for pilots to be represented but not any other group, are you?

You are right about how I feel on the union issue. Has nothing to do with the math. Point is only that they made more money from the bonus and shared rewards this year over last.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and how do the numbers change if you factor in a pay raise this summer...? the items you listed sound like they amount to less than 1% of your salary.
but again, the assumption you have made that you could obtain the same insurance premiums and coverage that NW negotiated with the IAM years ago is probably inaccurate.
Nothing personal... just facts and reality.
I would hope that if you need safety shoes, you'd buy them. A crippling injury affects you 24/7.

 

[Kev3188]

You are right about how I feel on the union issue. Has nothing to do with the math. Point is only that they made more money from the bonus and shared rewards this year over last.

If by my being right, you mean that you are in fact one of those guys, then I'm surprised & disappointed to hear that.

The profit sharing won't be much more than last year, since the pay rates didn't change 'til late in the year. We (PMNW) are also still under our own Performance Incentive Program program. I believe we move to the Shared Rewards program effective this month?

and how do the numbers change if you factor in a pay raise this summer...?

Our base rate increased 12/8. That's not summer in the northern hemisphere.

the items you listed sound like they amount to less than 1% of your salary.

Quite right, but not the point. In fact it has almost zero to do with this topic; just like Meto's union dues red herring. But since we're playing, you know what's more than 1% of my salary? The ~ 24k worth of OJI time the company just took from me.

but again, the assumption you have made that you could obtain the same insurance premiums and coverage that NW negotiated with the IAM years ago is probably inaccurate.

Those are the rates I'm paying right now. They're not some figure from days gone by. What is accurate is that there is now NO cap on premium increases. In fact, just to get this topic back on track, there's no set formula for profit sharing payout, either. I'm sure PMDL people are ecstatic their's just went from 6% to 4.85. Maybe we can start a pool on what 2012's will be? Meto of course still has language governing his- they get their cut first- I'm talking about the rest of us.

I would hope that if you need safety shoes, you'd buy them. A crippling injury affects you 24/7.

Gosh, are you sure? 🙄

We gotta wear 'em whether we want to or not. Point is, we used to get reimbursed if we got them outside of the company. Now we don't. As I mentioned, NFW I'm buying shoes I walk in all day sight unseen.

Now, back to the topic...

 

[metopower]

and how do the numbers change if you factor in a pay raise this summer...? the items you listed sound like they amount to less than 1% of your salary.
but again, the assumption you have made that you could obtain the same insurance premiums and coverage that NW negotiated with the IAM years ago is probably inaccurate.
Nothing personal... just facts and reality.
I would hope that if you need safety shoes, you'd buy them. A crippling injury affects you 24/7.

My point has nothing to do with union vs non union. That was the last thing I would want to start.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm not making it a union vs non-union thing... simply that the last compensation package was negotiated compared to the current non-contract rates which were "offered" by DL as of December (post NMB final ruling).
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the point on the summer 2012 increase (July) which DL has said is coming is that it would appear that it will eliminate any shortfall that you believe you have suffered as a result of moving to the new compensation package - and for which apparently the profit sharing is not sufficient. The higher DL performance incentive programs might make up much of the shortfall on their own.
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so, forgive the details, but does that mean that DL will buy you safety shoes if you buy them through one of their vendors?

 

[Kev3188]

It's deducted from your annual uniform allotment if you do. Used to be the same way at NW, except if you bought "off the street," then you were reimbursed, since they're required.

 

[Kev3188]

My point has nothing to do with union vs non union. That was the last thing I would want to start.

Is that why you posted about dues?

 

[metopower]

Is that why you posted about dues?

No . just that they had $516 dollars more. MY position on unions is...Vote for one if you want one. If the majority do not want one then so be it. It is their choice ..so be it
no union vs non union from me!

 

[eolesen]

It's deducted from your annual uniform allotment if you do. Used to be the same way at NW, except if you bought "off the street," then you were reimbursed, since they're required.

Be sure to the tax deduction if you buy them unreimbursed.

 

[southwind]

Well whadda ya know; another knee jerk answer from Southwind. I know it can be hard for you, but just once try and add something intelligent to these boards.

Here, I'll help; answer this:

Why would I- or anyone- give up money we helped earn?

My point and I'm sure you see it, although you won't admit it, is this bonus was not from having union representation and was just wondering, since you believe in the "All-Mighty Union", if you felt guilty about taking money not derived from said union-representation ? :blink:

 

[Kev3188]

No, I don't see where you're going at all. .

Again; why would I - or anyone- give up money they helped earn?

Guilt? Not for a second.

 

[REPUS]

Now that all carriers have reported (except for AA), it can be seen that DL's performance was tied to better than industry revenue growth and a 20 cent per gallon lower price for fuel due to fuel hedging compared to the industry.
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What these numbers say is that now that the NW merger is finished, DL is in excellent position to control its destiny in the next round of consolidation and strategic initiatives in the industry. DL's strategic needs remain increased access to LHR, a larger position in Latin America including from the key MIA gateway, and a larger position on the west coast. We will see DL focus on those areas in the next 12-18 months.

I hope to see MIA grow and start flying South America. AA is the 800lbs gorilla in MIA with South American flights. MIA has a daily LHR and rumers now for a possiable BCN & GIG

 

[topDawg]

So do we get our 5th week back now or is 2B over the last two years still not enough? Anyone? 😛h34r:

 

[Kev3188]

Ha! We should all be so lucky...

 

[WorldTraveler]

not sure where AA employees were but wasn't losing a week part of AA's plan?