Delta Pilots get 29% pay raise will this affect the APA

[WorldTraveler]

...which probably explains why the top choices for airline pilot candidates goes like this.... (according to Airline pilot central)

1. FedEx
2. Southwest
3. Delta
4. American Eagle
5. SkyWest
6. Republic
7. Pinnacle
8. ExpressJet
9. Allegiant
10. Virgin America

And it is notably that no other US network carrier is in the top ten. I suppose if you HAVE to work for a network airline, then DL would be your choice.

 

[xUT]

...which probably explains why the top choices for airline pilot candidates goes like this.... (according to Airline pilot central)

1. FedEx
2. Southwest
3. Delta
4. American Eagle
5. SkyWest
6. Republic
7. Pinnacle
8. ExpressJet
9. Allegiant
10. Virgin America

And it is notably that no other US network carrier is in the top ten. I suppose if you HAVE to work for a network airline, then DL would be your choice.

One good measure is what airlines' interview gouges are being clicked on. According to the interview gouge experts at www.mypilotcareer.com, below are the top 10 visited profiles on their web site (ranked in order) as of April 2011:

Clicking and working are two different animals.
JMHO,
B) xUT

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

...which probably explains why the top choices for airline pilot candidates goes like this.... (according to Airline pilot central)

1. FedEx
2. Southwest
3. Delta
4. American Eagle
5. SkyWest
6. Republic
7. Pinnacle
8. ExpressJet
9. Allegiant
10. Virgin America

And it is notably that no other US network carrier is in the top ten. I suppose if you HAVE to work for a network airline, then DL would be your choice.

Link to source and survey please.

 

[southwind]

It was brought up in court yesterday. Of course its relevant because it speaks to what the market rate is for Pilots. remember that BK was to abrogate contracts with onerous terms, not to simply allow companies to lock in low pay rates for long terms. If AA gets what they want Deltas second BK wont be far ahead of them.

And just why, if AA gets what they want, would Delta, who is now a very profitable company, face a second BK !
Imo............anytime, any group gets a raise, it's a positive for the industry !

 

[WorldTraveler]

Link to source and survey please.

The list is cited here
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/

With a link to Mypilotcareer.com

 

[Mach85ER]

The list is cited here
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/

With a link to Mypilotcareer.com

World,

It is a list of most clicks on interview links for the month of April 2011. It is beyond idiotic to suggest that the list is that of "top choices for airline pilot candidates". It probably has more to do with announced hiring or interview numbers and the number of wannabe, unqualified masses that serial click these types of links over and over again. American Eagle as the 4th top choice in the country? That's hilarious. Sure it was for 250 hour pilots that never been in a cloud before that Eagle was putting into jets.

Maybe you could contact UPS and inform them to improve their 'Street Cred' with low time pilots.

 

[Mach85ER]

The DL rates are a bit high.

I'm a little confused E. How are the rates too high?

 

[WorldTraveler]

Let me quote the exact language on airline pilot central. I'm not arguing with your logic - just quoting what the site says:


What airline pilot employers are popular today? What airlines are currently attracting the interest of prospective pilots?

Perhaps you should contact them and tell them their conclusion is misleading.

If you venture further into that site, they have a subheading called "hiring"

Part of the reason why DL is the only network carrier getting any interest at all by prospective pilots may be because the others all have pilots on furlough. But DL's page on APC also says they do not plan to do any pilot hiring in 2012.

WN is only hiring 140 pilots in 2012 according to their page and they are not currently accepting any new applications.

AE also says it is not hiring and has pilots on furlough yet they garnered the 4th highest number of clicks.

 

[Mach85ER]

Attracting interest and top choice are too very different things for pilots. APC isn't wrong, you are, and like every other subject on these boards, you'll never admit when you're wrong.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Part of the reason why DL is the only network carrier getting any interest at all by prospective pilots...

What?

From where did you gather that jewel of wisdom?

 

[Super FLUF]

Doesn't look like the original question has been answered, but YES, this does affect APA pilots. Our CLA with USAirways ties our pay to an average of DAL and UAL. If others get a raise, we get a raise.

 

[Flying low]

Doesn't look like the original question has been answered, but YES, this does affect APA pilots. Our CLA with USAirways ties our pay to an average of DAL and UAL. If others get a raise, we get a raise.

Similar to the "me too" clause that a lot are complaining about in a different thread!!!

 

[737823]

It was brought up in court yesterday. Of course its relevant because it speaks to what the market rate is for Pilots. remember that BK was to abrogate contracts with onerous terms, not to simply allow companies to lock in low pay rates for long terms. If AA gets what they want Deltas second BK wont be far ahead of them.

It looks like at least UA management agrees with you:

I’m sure by now you know that Delta and its pilots’ union recently announced a tentative agreement which, among other things, provides significant pay increases, along with efficiencies for the carrier and scope changes permitting expanded use of larger regional jets. The new Delta TA raises the market pay for commercial airline pilots, and effectively sets a new competitive standard for pilot pay. We will be responsive to the impact of the new Delta TA in our negotiations and will need to adjust our current contract proposal to be competitive with the Delta TA. Our proposal will include significant pay rate increases that are competitive with the new Delta TA, as well as scope and work rules that are competitive with the new Delta TA and permit us to remain competitive in the airline business.

http://www.theunfriendlyskies.org/assets/Jeff-letter-to-UAL-Pilots-2-May21.pdf

Josh

 

[WorldTraveler]

The first part of Bob's post is accurate but the 2nd is not unless you believe that WN is on death's door for having some of the industry's highest paid employees.
WN employees are well paid - and everyone accepts it - because they are highly productive which lowers costs and because WN has a knack for generating revenue as good as or better than the rest of the industry.
Given that the pay increases in the DL pilot agreement are rooted in the company's ability to restructure its network, removing alot of presumably money losing 50 seaters and adding more mainline and large RJs, there is not only the potential for DL to cut costs but also to boost revenue. Add in other DL initiatives including the refinery and the NYC expansion and DL is cutting costs and boosting revenue - exactly what companies must do in order to improve their finances.

AA people must not let go of their fight to obtain smaller cuts thru the 1113 process by arguing that AA can successfully turnaround with lesser cuts... but the greatest turnaround for AA employees will come when the company succeeds post-BK and AA employees are able to share in it..

 

[Overspeed]

The first part of Bob's post is accurate but the 2nd is not unless you believe that WN is on death's door for having some of the industry's highest paid employees.
WN employees are well paid - and everyone accepts it - because they are highly productive which lowers costs and because WN has a knack for generating revenue as good as or better than the rest of the industry.
Given that the pay increases in the DL pilot agreement are rooted in the company's ability to restructure its network, removing alot of presumably money losing 50 seaters and adding more mainline and large RJs, there is not only the potential for DL to cut costs but also to boost revenue. Add in other DL initiatives including the refinery and the NYC expansion and DL is cutting costs and boosting revenue - exactly what companies must do in order to improve their finances.

AA people must not let go of their fight to obtain smaller cuts thru the 1113 process by arguing that AA can successfully turnaround with lesser cuts... but the greatest turnaround for AA employees will come when the company succeeds post-BK and AA employees are able to share in it..

While I don't aften agree with Bob, going through BK and blaming labor for the company's ills and everything will be fixed once you get through 1113 is BS. Most of the BK's result in mgmt continuing to operate as before and relying on labor and outsourcing to resolve the cost and revenue problem. Looks like DL may be facing another trip to BK court if they don't get their act together. They outsourced damn near everything, what now? Pay cuts and slash the remaining benefits?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/622701-bail-out-of-delta-before-the-stock-crashes

"Delta's abnormal accounting assumptions may provide a short-term boost to earnings, but they will likely lead to a long-term drag or possible bankruptcy."

"In my opinion, it is only a matter of time before Delta's management will have to guide earnings expectations lower, perhaps much lower. At which point, the stock will trade more on the underlying economics of the business than oil, just as it did today after announcing the plans for capacity reduction. Oil is down and so is DAL."

"From where I sit, the company is in an intractable situation. It is not making any money and its liabilities are formidable: pensions at $14.1 billion plus total debt of $11.9 billion equals $26 billion."