Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

I would suspect the litigation to commence that afternoon. I doubt anybody plans on waiting.

I expect the same.

 

[dca319]

I expect the same.

I don't know why everyone else doesn't see it.

 

[Pi brat]

I don't know why everyone else doesn't see it.

I think a lot of guys see it that way. USAPA forwards a DOH list and AOL sues. The opinion of what happens then is where I see a wide variance.

 

[Metroyet]

I think a lot of guys see it that way. USAPA forwards a DOH list and AOL sues. The opinion of what happens then is where I see a wide variance.

I wonder what a neutral jury of our peers would say...

 

[Pi brat]

I wonder what a neutral jury of our peers would say...

Well, the last one said guilty, as I'm sure you're alluding to. Will the next? Has the passage of time changed things? Will the new legal team on the east be more persuasive? I don't know, but neither side is concerned enough to try another path so I guess we will see.

Of course it won't affect you, since you are just really passionate about this and don't work for US.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Interesting how now some east pilots are beginning to question the credibility of other east pilots. Most of you all agreed with whatever these guys said about seniority and the Nicolau.

Could it be that they were also wrong about the the subject of seniority, Mike Cleary, the 5 hard core reps and usapa too?

You are totally misreading the situation What you are seeing is nothing really new. As Yogi Berra said: "It's deja vu all over again!" The old ALPA MEC (post 9/11) was constantly at each other's throats, and was consistently divided almost evenly on almost every issue. You just were not yet around to see that particular mess. Back then PIT and PHL were the hardliners, and CLT, DCA and LGA were the bed wetters. BOS flipped around a bit.

Then along came a "common enemy" to unite them. That more or less lasted until this MOU business came about last summer when the "common enemy" became moot, and there were bigger fish to fry.

Nothing at all new here.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I wonder what a neutral jury of our peers would say...

With a neutral judge, that might actually be fair.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Well, the last one said guilty, as I'm sure you're alluding to. Will the next? Has the passage of time changed things? Will the new legal team on the east be more persuasive? I don't know, but neither side is concerned enough to try another path so I guess we will see.

Of course it won't affect you, since you are just really passionate about this and don't work for US.

The Addington jury never said: Guilty. That is a term used in criminal courts, and that was a civil case. They found for the plaintiff.

 

[cleardirect]

You are totally misreading the situation What you are seeing is nothing really new. As Yogi Berra said: "It's deja vu all over again!" The old ALPA MEC (post 9/11) was constantly at each other's throats, and was consistently divided almost evenly on almost every issue. You just were not yet around to see that particular mess. Back then PIT and PHL were the hardliners, and CLT, DCA and LGA were the bed wetters. BOS flipped around a bit.

Then along came a "common enemy" to unite them. That more or less lasted until this MOU business came about last summer when the "common enemy" became moot, and there were bigger fish to fry.

Nothing at all new here.

I thought it was ALPA's fault the east had all your problems and usapa was going to fix them.

Turns out you can't get away from your own problems.

 

[cleardirect]

The Addington jury never said: Guilty. That is a term used in criminal courts, and that was a civil case. They found for the plaintiff.

The jury found usapa liable.

The jury has found USAPA liable to Plaintiffs and the represented class.

 

[pjirish317]

PI,

Maybe maint. still has their C of C, but Fleet gave their's away in our 2008 agreement. And yes we lost the C of C grievance with the AW/US merger.

 

[dca319]

OK. I'll admit that you've completely lost me with that "logic" sir. Does not Parker trying to do a merger greatly enhance the bargaining position of the US workers as well?

No. He can and will do this with or without us. Ask the IAM how their CoC argument went. About as well as ours.

 

[Pi brat]

The Addington jury never said: Guilty. That is a term used in criminal courts, and that was a civil case. They found for the plaintiff.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Pi brat]

PI,

Maybe maint. still has their C of C, but Fleet gave their's away in our 2008 agreement. And yes we lost the C of C grievance with the AW/US merger.

Thanks pj.

 

[Claxon]

Doug thanks you and the rest of your emotional tantrum throwers for such a boon. 1/3rd of a 30 year career on LOA93? By choice? For....? Nothing? LOL!

I don't mind the incessant whining...lets just be honest whose to blame for the East's perceived woes.

You remind me of a guy I had on the jumpseat once, a Trans States guy named Kevin Horner. He blamed all his woes on the APA, then USAPA. He couldn't seem to focus on which one he hated more. Anyway, he was a TWA guy that AA hosed. He is a perfect example of the power of the APA and what it can do.