nycbusdriver
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Ya mean no 777 school for me? :-(
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Ya mean no 777 school for me? :-(
Beancounter
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If APA goes to arbitration they'll get the widebody protections without the liability. Why would they do something that is not in the unions best interests on two different levels? Under the table deal? Now when you say, "what it wants," in reference to USAPA what are you refering to? No Nic, which may be a possibility or DOH aka snowballs chance in hades?
Oh yeah, if what you said is true, thanks for posting it on a public forum site, complete with names and your computer id.
Bean
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Yes bean. Because web postings on anonymous message boards are used quite often in a court of law. Besides, nothing I've said is illegal or unexpected. Do you think the APA wants to take a chance of a Nicolau type arbitration? Look at the widebody protections the east pilots got (practically none). APA is scared to death of arbitration. They dont want to go there if they dont have to. Again. Good luck with your quest. You're gonna need it.
So USAPA is now worse than ALPA? So was it really an ALPA issue in the first place?
You note LOA93. Why was the arbitration such an absurdly easy kill for management? Could it just possibly have been the incredibly inadequate language contained, as well as needed language that was entirely ommitted? Sigh!...No matter, since this glorious and brand new day's dawning could never be equally twisted to management's delight and your loss...ummm...could it? You've previously assured me that no gray areas existed even within just one portion, but then found yourself entirely unable to intelligently argue in favor of your "faith" there.....and we're not corporate lawyers who's sole professional purpose is to completely dissect contractual documents and find and/or contrive holes in them.
Believe me, I understand your position here = "Move on". No need to undertake any such droll pursuits as reading, evaluating and actually thinking. Leave such tedious things to management's legal department, whom you've every reason to trust as honest people that have your best interests at heart. Blindly accepting one of the most absurdly constructed and hopelessly ambiguous proposals that I've ever seen isn't the slightest problem since all will magically be well regardless....and fields of flowers will surround yourself and the unicorn you're riding.Good luck with that, and I hope it all works out great for all concerned. Seriously: Good Luck!
Funny how Dean, our lawyer, Owens, etc. all say otherwise. How did you get so smart?
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You really need to move into the current century, it's not anonymous. You tell me what's more serious:
1) APA officers willingly and knowingly making the union liable for a ripe DFR or
2) USAPA officers not just failing to represent, but purposely trying to harm 1/3 the pilot group.
You guys just keep stepping in it don't you. Don't worry about me, I've got Karma and the law on my side. Best of luck in your sleazy dealings.
Bean
You guys don't get it. USAPA is free to negotiate, but they do so at the risk of a DFR coming crashing down on them. I think AoL will sue us as soon as we put together a completed list not using the Nicolau.
The APA is also free to put whatever list they want to put together and I think they'll use the Nicolau to avoid litigation if their list is used. I honestly don't think the arbitrators are going to move away from the Nicolau either.
And we don't have a case for a DFR. We can file for one, but I doubt it'll go anywhere. I said this before and I still think telling the judge we're mad because they used an arbitrated award isn't going to go over well. AoL has proven merit and we're about to give them ripeness.
APA will go to arbitration because the only thing we can offer is DOH integration. Its in our C&BLs. DOH puts 80% of our guys in the top half of the list. NEVER EVER going to happen.
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You very clearly get it DC, but does the leadership of USAPA and the APA get it? The company and it's lawyers surely do. Guess we just wait and see.
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Nic4us,
We have sparred on things. We have agreed on things. But let me assure you of one thing. I know gunter better than you do. We have flown together. We have discussed things together. I can assure you of one thing. He is not an idiot and I would place anything he has to say ahead of you. You would be wise to STFU and listen.
We have sparred on things. We have agreed on things. But let me assure you of one thing. I know gunter better than you do. We have flown together. We have discussed things together. I can assure you of one thing. He is not an idiot and I would place anything he has to say ahead of you. You would be wise to STFU and listen.
We'll be in arbitration so fast you won't believe it.
I am home grown and I honestly don't care what you think. I've put up legitimate arguments and have gotten nothing back that gives me any confidence that this is going to go our way. Nothing, and I mean nothing, ever goes our way and this won't be any different. Why don't you go back to lurking.
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That way Gunter and his pal in the APA can still be bosom buddies. It won't be the APAs fault, it's that darn senile arbitrator, both of them
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