Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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nycbusdriver said:
With your scenario, if I were an American Airlines pilot and the APA put a list in front of the arbitrators based on Nicolau, I would file a DFR against the APA.
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Three concepts for you,

Arbitrary,

Discriminatory,

Bad faith,


Then get back to us when you learn what is actually a DFR.

 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
The NIC is DOA! Judge silver and the 9th! Goals and expectations, DUI, NO GROWTH IN 2013! For the WEST!
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Is there any forecast "growth" on the east in 2013?

We still have a TA that says you scabs must share!!!


Bottom line MM, the order of LCC pilots will not change one bit from the Nic in a merger SLI.
 
nycbusdriver said:
Why would the APA proffer the Nicolau when it will cause them the exact same problems that the east pilots have with it. Just as it did with the east, it would place a s***load of much younger pilots in positions senior to them. They will just as effectively roadblock an APA pilot's advancement as they would have an east pilot's. They're not going to shoot themselves in the foot just because you say they can.

There's little doubt in my mind that the roadblocks will occur anyway as I think arbitration will very likely result in a ratio list. But the APA doesn't want to block themselves out of upgrades, so ignoring the Nic will make it somewhat better.
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Because it wouldn't cause the same problems. What are we going to argue? That the APA used a list based on an arbitrated award? And I don't see how ignoring the Nicolau list will block their upgrades. That's what fences are for and the APA will propose them to protect those upgrades on their aircraft.

You don't understand that using the Nicolau brings NO legal jeopardy for anyone. Not using it does.
 
dca319 said:
Because it wouldn't cause the same problems. What are we going to argue? That the APA used a list based on an arbitrated award? And I don't see how ignoring the Nicolau list will block their upgrades. That's what fences are for and the APA will propose them to protect those upgrades on their aircraft.

You don't understand that using the Nicolau brings NO legal jeopardy for anyone. Not using it does.
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APA loves jeopardy!!!!!not losing seniority.
 
nic4us said:
Is there any forecast "growth" on the east in 2013?

We still have a TA that says you scabs must share!!!


Bottom line MM, the order of LCC pilots will not change one bit from the Nic in a merger SLI.
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TA that can be modified, per the TA, share what , EAST ATTRITION/
 
nic4us said:
Is there any forecast "growth" on the east in 2013?

We still have a TA that says you scabs must share!!!


Bottom line MM, the order of LCC pilots will not change one bit from the Nic in a merger SLI.
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Sorry, there is no NIC.
 
dca319 said:
Because it wouldn't cause the same problems. What are we going to argue? That the APA used a list based on an arbitrated award? And I don't see how ignoring the Nicolau list will block their upgrades. That's what fences are for and the APA will propose them to protect those upgrades on their aircraft.

You don't understand that using the Nicolau brings NO legal jeopardy for anyone. Not using it does.
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yOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT YOUR CB'LS! A vacated award does! As per the NIC and SILVER!
 
dca319 said:
Because it wouldn't cause the same problems. What are we going to argue? That the APA used a list based on an arbitrated award? And I don't see how ignoring the Nicolau list will block their upgrades. That's what fences are for and the APA will propose them to protect those upgrades on their aircraft.

You don't understand that using the Nicolau brings NO legal jeopardy for anyone. Not using it does.
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Selling off the WEST as an AA standalone does brings no legal jeapordy to anyone, as well as bringing the synergy train to the station quicker! Your point!
 
EastUS1 said:
No myth. The court only "took" the pension after the alpa wunderkinder surrendered it to them, and yes; in the middle fo the night and without a vote. You've not even the slightest, nay infinitesimally tiny idea of anything you're mindlessly blathering on about here. Your wholesale ignorance of events and timing, not to mention complete lack of ANY understanding here, coupled with your dogged determination to NEVER see anything that ill-suits any of your personal fantasies, remains nothing short of mind-boggling.
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The pension was lost nearly a year before that vote when members of the Negotiating Committee came to the MEC and told them they had 90 days to freeze it or lose it. They sat on it so two MEC members could collect their lump sums (it worked) and the pension was declared underfunded in September of that year. The vote you mentioned took place months later and was ceremonial at best. Ask your buddy McKee. He was there, and sided with his mentor, the PIT LEC chairman.
 
MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
AS JUDGE SIVER STATED, Free to negotiate, as the 9th said, Wake to vacate his award as his courtroom is null and void, a mute point, AA standalone, fragmentation and avoidance of AA and AOL litigation! We have no joint list ! Plus AA avoids all pension liability issues concerning DUI DOUG and company that PIC is a big question mark for AA moving forward in a DUI DOUG run AA, why do you think "GIVE IT AWAY GARY" wants it done! MM!
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It's MOOT Paul...MOOT. A MUTE point would be one that has no sound.
 
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