Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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EXACTLY, you westies have been trying to take advantage of a tragic situation. In 1998-2000 Things were good and Us Airways was hiring and doing well... 9-11 that tragic event changed everything, and DCA was closed for over a month. we had over 400 jets and Good old Rakesh used the situation to downsize...

It is no fault of any pilot on the east that they laid off pilots, but as you may not know as your new to the business. The airline industry is cyclical...

Stop trying to make hey out of a bad situation...

You don't want to just keep what you have because you have nothing ie PHX..

instead you want to take from US....
 
No, its more like "Accountability", the name is not USAPA.

I'd think we'd be more successful if we could stop blaming National, Leonidas, or the west for our ills and start taking the blame.

You're giving the west far too much credit when you blame them for sabotage. Haven't you noticed that the same names seem to appear when we fail? Its always the same pilots that aren't very far from the goings on when we hit bottom.
Well, you know, we have only so many pilots. Maybe we should elect....I know, Southwest pilots to be our leaders.

Or, how about now. Lets let Wilder and Szymanski run the show. Oh that's right, they're not pilots but they run it anyway. We don't need the contract knowledge someone like DiOreo has, because the company doesn't like him we'll just be the "peacemaker" and get rid of him.

We're failing, but it's not from having the same pilots in office, it's the same pilots thinking the way they do ON THE LINE!
 
I don't know where you get your financial information from, but we and only we were in bankruptcy. America West wasn't even close to filing and I challenge you to find even one article that indicated their bankruptcy was imminent. You, like many others, seem to find some solace in that thought. Are you trying to level the playing field with the west? And even if they did file, how long did we muck around in bankruptcy?
Doug Parker, "FIVE" yes that's correct. FIVE! I've posted them and in FACT Parker did indeed say it was that close. Parker DID say that was the truth. I don't need an "analyst" from the Economist when the CEO admits it.

I need YOU to provide ONE statement from the guys running AWA in the fall of 2005 that it wasn't because....they were the ones in the know.

Oh, I didn't know that one's "mucking around in bankruptcy" carried more weight than the other. Bankruptcy is bankruptcy Bub. Time in it is dependent on the POR. Read up on the law.
 
Doug Parker, "FIVE" yes that's correct. FIVE! I've posted them and in FACT Parker did indeed say it was that close. Parker DID say that was the truth. I don't need an "analyst" from the Economist when the CEO admits it.

I need YOU to provide ONE statement from the guys running AWA in the fall of 2005 that it wasn't because....they were the ones in the know.

Oh, I didn't know that one's "mucking around in bankruptcy" carried more weight than the other. Bankruptcy is bankruptcy Bub. Time in it is dependent on the POR. Read up on the law.

No, Parker didn't admit it. The only thing I've heard him admit to is our impending liquidation.
 
Well, you know, we have only so many pilots. Maybe we should elect....I know, Southwest pilots to be our leaders.

Or, how about now. Lets let Wilder and Szymanski run the show. Oh that's right, they're not pilots but they run it anyway. We don't need the contract knowledge someone like DiOreo has, because the company doesn't like him we'll just be the "peacemaker" and get rid of him.

We're failing, but it's not from having the same pilots in office, it's the same pilots thinking the way they do ON THE LINE!

Ya Jamie, we only gave a number of pilots. But it's the same small group of pilots that keeps screwing things up because they think they know better. LOA93, injunction, USAPA - all end products of the same group of small pilots.
 
Lets let Wilder and Szymanski run the show. Oh that's right, they're not pilots but they run it anyway.
Not at the meetings I was at. The BPR blew them off.
We don't need the contract knowledge someone like DiOreo has, because the company doesn't like him we'll just be the "peacemaker" and get rid of him.
. It's not about what you know...it's about what you can accomplish, and in 5 years, Paul accomplished NOTHING. Besides that, in the meetings I was in, he came off like a know-it-all ass.
 
Not at the meetings I was at. The BPR blew them off. . It's not about what you know...it's about what you can accomplish, and in 5 years, Paul accomplished NOTHING. Besides that, in the meetings I was in, he came off like a know-it-all ass.
Didn't have to do with him, do you think that maybe the company had the opportunity to exploit our differences?
 
Ya Jamie, we only gave a number of pilots. But it's the same small group of pilots that keeps screwing things up because they think they know better. LOA93, injunction, USAPA - all end products of the same group of small pilots.
Then you have the answers, suppose you can run?
 
Because you helped write them?..

No. Should it cleanse the issue for you at all; I had no part whatsoever in any of the thoughts or presentations of the author. I do agree with much of the letter's contents. All I'm strongly suggesting to all concerned is that serious thought be given the matter prior to jumping in with any vote...period, end of story. Even such apparent friends/tools of management/"useful idiots" such as yourself, will very probably be severely effected by the consequences of such an agreement, especially one essentially eviscerating scope and the like, for long after I'm gone from this little circus. Your choices to make....so really THINK about all that's reasonably possible or even probable as outcomes to said choices, that's all.
 
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