Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[700UW]

 

[Monkee]

No, it's more like we think you're a maroon. That's all. We tire of your drivel. Please go now.

Truer words were never said. Claxton answers the question: what is the sound of one (moron's) hand clapping? He is a tiresome, ignorant fool

 

[dariencc]

Ouch. Little JJ is already bald, 250k underwater on his tract home, still scrambling to recover from that personal bankruptcy and looking at a 7 year fence. Now this. Some guys just can't catch a break.

On the bright side, the new season of Dancing with the Stars promises to be the best yet. Hang in there, Little Fella.

http://www.mydesert....srupt-Southwest

 

[Claxon]

Today? Nothing. I said MAROON, not untrue. Pay attention. Better yet, go away.

Take one of my posts and tell me what was not the truth dave. Your scab america west group, I am the messenger.

 

[Claxon]

Truer words were never said. Claxton answers the question: what is the sound of one (moron's) hand clapping? He is a tiresome, ignorant fool

You have been spanking your namesake too much.

 

[Zone5]

They're all being replaced by Airbuses and other Boeings. Didn't you know that?

http://www.nytimes.c...akers.html?_r=0

None of which will ever be flown by you. All aircraft on order by AMR will be flown by former AMR pilots, yes? At least for the foreseeable future, where is the language requiring LCC to EVER increase widebody flying to Europe? Short answer, there is none and there will be none. All future flying west of Hawaii already belongs to AMR, so much for that PHX to the far-east wet dream!


seajay

 

[Portly Dorman]

 

[isvlives2]

 

[dca319]

None of which will ever be flown by you. All aircraft on order by AMR will be flown by former AMR pilots, yes? At least for the foreseeable future, where is the language requiring LCC to EVER increase widebody flying to Europe? Short answer, there is none and there will be none. All future flying west of Hawaii already belongs to AMR, so much for that PHX to the far-east wet dream!


seajay

Who said anything about me flying any of their aircraft? I was responding to another one of Claxon's nonsensical posts. And as for the west's HI flying, I don't think it'll be taken over by AA pilots. Remember, we have mins the company must maintain that prevent transferring block hours to their side.

 

[cleardirect]

Compass Correction:

It seems that the reality of the situation is starting to come home. That what the east pilots have done to the west pilots may come back and bite east pilots in the ass. Karma is a #### and east pilots are about to get slapped. Everything Woody is complaining about has happened to the west by east demand.

The east demanded your work rules which moved the west backwards. The east demanded separate ops. The east demanded all the flying and all the seniority.

What do we get? Every pilot will answer that in his own way, but frankly, not much. Lots of promises, most likely a pay rise. However, I am not sure we fully comprehend the titanic changes in our work rules, flexibility and loss of opportunity that will be the heavy price we pay for that money. Again, in the current scheme, our attrition is GONE. This last bid…a happy omen for most; will be one of the last. I honestly believe that we will be flying smaller airplanes, for less money ($114 hr. /$126 hr. EMB 195) – while the other (inaccessible to us) crew bases begin to expand. Ask your PHX brothers how that feels.

What does the west get. Not much. usapa was not offering much either. If east pilots had gotten your way with seniority the west would be flying smaller planes with no access to other bases.

Our new vacation is 31 days (equivalent)…correct? Well, not exactly. For American Airlines, yes…immediately. Former US Airways pilots will, (in the words of our NAC) “earn our way to that number”….perhaps, (perhaps?) as early as 2015! Perhaps not.

At least the east gets 10 more days. The west nothing.

“No base, other than St. Louis shall be closed prior to October 01, 2013” (MOU para. 8, k. page 6) Well….that’s reassuring. Editorial note here: Pilots of US Airways; we are being asked to enter a marriage with American Airlines. They are a proud and storied carrier, with a long and glamorous history….and American Airlines is bankrupt as ####. They are too big to be small and too small to be big. Even in bankruptcy, with the relief that provides from one’s bills, they haven’t made money. Make no mistake here; our profitability, our good credit and the charisma of Chugalug Doug are what are making this deal work for Wall Street. Do not kid yourselves; if we ratify this MOU (as currently written) GROWTH AT USAIRWAYS IS OVER.

Why does this sound so famiular? US Airways was BK as ####.

Even in BK US Airways counld not pay your bills.

OUR (AWA) good credit, profitability and the charisma of Chuglaug Doug is what made the deal on Wall street between US AIrways and AWA.

With this deal growth at AWA is over.

WELCOME TO OUR WORLD PAL!!!!! Stop complaining. The east will be lucky if the APA does not treat you like the easgt has treated the west.

Before you vote, read the whole MOU…twice. But if you are too apathetic, at least read Para. 14, on page 9. I won’t spoil it for you, by telling you the ending; at least not now. When you are reading it, know this fact; US Airways, AMR, UCC….ALL OF THEM absolutely would not budge on their insistence that our Scope, Change of Control, Labor Protective Provisions, Daily Utilization and…..MINIMUM FLEET SIZE be ELIMINATED. Yeah, sounds like lots of growth and happy days are here again. Let me repeat; if we sign off on this MOU as is, US Airways, as we have known it, (at least the good parts) will begin very soon and irrevocably to disappear.

US Airways should have disappeared 8 years ago. usapa managed to delay and bastardize the merger far beyond rational timing. Parker learned and will not allow that to happen. all those things that Woody is afraid of have already happened to the west. It is time for some pay back.

 

[Zone5]

Who said anything about me flying any of their aircraft? I was responding to another one of Claxon's nonsensical posts. And as for the west's HI flying, I don't think it'll be taken over by AA pilots. Remember, we have mins the company must maintain that prevent transferring block hours to their side.

I didn't say anything about HI flying , I said AMR will be flying all flights to the FAR-EAST and they will be, it's written right in the MOU, no PHX flying to Japan, China, ect.

You also implied that MD-80 flying was going to be replaced by new Boeing and Airbus orders by AMR. I think it's more likely flying that will go to Eagle, especially if "Team Tempe" ends up calling the shots.


seajay

 

[Ames]

EastUS1, on 19 January 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:
Ames: Did you ever notice that most west pilots will look you in the eye when passing by? Probably not because none of you will meet our gaze. Try looking us in the eye.



Keep telling yourself that, if you feel it necessary. These are socially tolerent times though, and I shouldn't think you would need to spend your entire life being so obviously miserable. Ames: "...none of you will meet our gaze.." and "Try looking us in the eye.", as if such behavior's the usually accepted "norm" for passing strangers in any airport, are alone worth a few hours in therapy. Professional help's readilly available for such issues as yours. I suggest, for your sake, that you get some. No one need live their whole life out conflicted and angry.

If that's way off the mark; then no offence meant, but then consider why it is you fantasize yourself as someone who's both "worthy" and "powerful" enough to demand and expect some/any form of social acknowledgment, much less some deferential, eye-contact "salute" from any others, merely from your august presence passing by...? Ok then. The same observation then applies to suggested therapy for resolution of both delusional and anger issues.

You other options are just to have any given area called to attention, due to the presence of a high-ranking VIP, or if not appropriate; ensure that handling your press and publicity give all prior notice that you'll be passing through their area. Your choices in any case, and good luck with your future.

Eastholeus,

First, I am not miserable. I am quite happy, especially not that the end of our little debacle is near and I know that kharma is going to hit you in the face.

Next, I don't look at total strangers but do look at fellow pilots. Just as in the military (if you really were in it) you acknowledged fellow soldiers/pilots. In civilian life we acknowledge fellow pilots in uniform. You may not understand that concept because I believe you have been ashamed of yourself and your actions for some time now (especially since trying to avoid binding arbitration) You are most likely, as a lot of eastholes are, looking down at your shoes because you don't want to see the scorn if your fellow pilot's eyes.

 

[dca319]

I didn't say anything about HI flying , I said AMR will be flying all flights to the FAR-EAST and they will be, it's written right in the MOU, no PHX flying to Japan, China, ect.

You also implied that MD-80 flying was going to be replaced by new Boeing and Airbus orders by AMR. I think it's more likely flying that will go to Eagle, especially if "Team Tempe" ends up calling the shots.


seajay

I stand corrected as I thought you wrote "west's HI flying."

We still do have block hour protections in the MTA, do we not? And I'm sure the APA will be able to craft even better language in the JCBA. If they allow all that MD80 flying to go to Eagle then the APA will have been even less effective than USAPA.

 

[Zone5]

I stand corrected as I thought you wrote "west's HI flying."

We still do have block hour protections in the MTA, do we not? And I'm sure the APA will be able to craft even better language in the JCBA. If they allow all that MD80 flying to go to Eagle then the APA will have been even less effective than USAPA.

Never count out "Team Tempe", they have "Ways" to make things happen according to "Plan". I think the "New" American Airlines is looking at long term stagnation, with the exception of attrition, there will be no growth, count on it. With any luck, everybody will get to keep the attrition they brought to the party, you can bet the AMR guys will be. At least we will be getting a larger piece of the pie this time around.


seajay

 

[Graceson]

...your fellow pilot's eyes. ...meet our gaze. ...try looking us in the eye. ...in our eyes is us saying "kiss my...

Can we please stop gazing into one anothers eyes. I mean, not that there's anything wrong with it. But, it's just that, you know, gazing is not most guy's comfort zone. In the words of Jack Nicholson in "As good as it gets" -- I tell you, buddy... I'd be the luckiest guy alive if that did it for me.