Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[PullUp]

"10.h. US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for
changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in
this Paragraph 10."

Game, set, match.
Cheers.

 

[noDOH4u]

"10.h. US Airways agrees that neither this Memorandum nor the JCBA shall provide a basis for
changing the seniority lists currently in effect at US Airways other than through the process set forth in
this Paragraph 10."

Correct. The MOU and JCBA do not provide the basis for changing the seniority list. The TRANSITION AGREEMENT does.

The MOU and JCBA are not the basis, they are the vehicle used by the T. A. to implement the arbitrated list between east and west. That will happen before MB arbitration.

Checkmate.

And by the way, you are playing tennis at a chess game. No wonder you are confused!

 

[A320 Driver]

I haven't heard of any. I would assume if this recall is successful, there will have to be nomination ballots sent out and then an election of new Reps. That process will take quite some time. And the CLT domicile will not be represented during that time. I don't think this is the time to have CLT (or any domicile) without representation... Poor timing with the possible merger entering a critical phase...

Three new reps are ready to step up to the plate. It's now or never. WWW.ROCCLT.ORG

 

[A320 Driver]

Correct. The MOU and JCBA do not provide the basis for changing the seniority list. The TRANSITION AGREEMENT does.

The MOU and JCBA are not the basis, they are the vehicle used by the T. A. to implement the arbitrated list between east and west. That will happen before MB arbitration.

Checkmate.

And by the way, you are playing tennis at a chess game. No wonder you are confused!

Three lists. Three arbitrators. One decision. Move on. The integration needs to be based on current ops...not the dream sheet from 6 years ago that could never be used in operations.

 

[Zone5]

Three lists. Three arbitrators. One decision. Move on. The integration needs to be based on current ops...not the dream sheet from 6 years ago that could never be used in operations.

You sir, are correct and that's the way it will go down!


seajay

 

[Metroyet]

You sir, are correct and that's the way it will go down!


seajay

Final and binding isn't a suggestion. USAPA is in its death throes if this merger moves fwd.

 

[noDOH4u]

Three lists. Three arbitrators. One decision. Move on. The integration needs to be based on current ops...not the dream sheet from 6 years ago that could never be used in operations.

Saying it over and over again will not make it come true.

The previous integration need to be based on the rule of law. You can not escape your previous commitments and responsibilities.

The NEW integration between AA and US will be based on current realities. When that integration happens, the current situation will be that the arbitrated list will be in effect.

I'm not saying this to be disparaging. I am 99% confident that there will be no legal way for USAPA to avoid the timeline and the Transition Agreement between the pilots in service of AWA and the pilots in service of USAirways.

I'm perfectly OK with agreeing to disagree and see what unfolds. But will you guys be willing to admit your error if things don't unfold the way you want them to? I know I will. And then I will move on. What I've seen on here from many on the east over the years is one inaccurate prediction after another, zero achievements beyond gridlock, countless meltdowns, foot stomping, name calling, excuses, denial, and never a soul admitting their mistakes. Of course outside of this forum there seems to be plenty of pilots who have grown tired of the broken promises, lost money, wasted efforts, and gamesmanship. The recall effort is just one example. I guess we'll see where that leads.

All I'm saying is that through all these years, USAPA has achieved nothing, and become the very things most east pilots claimed to hate about ALPA, while we on the west have held our legal ground firmly and fought off the tyranny of the majority quite effectively. What makes you think this next round will be any different. The law just does not support your hypothesis. By all means, continue to believe what you want. Just please don't act surprised if it doesn't happen.

 

[Claxon]

I think it is poor timing that you come here and just make stuff up. At no time will the CLT pilots be unrepresented. You might want to give the Sec/Tres a call and get the real story. I agree, we are indeed in a "critical" phase of flight. More the reason to get unqualified reps out of the seat. Karen Black could do a better job than they are. Greeter

Yes, it makes perfect sense to swap seats during an engine failure at 110kts

 

[Metroyet]

Yes, it makes perfect sense to swap seats during an engine failure at 110kts

It makes perfect sense if the guy at the controls is a completely incompetent idiot and inaction will cause certain disaster. You guys never seem to know a disastrous situation when you see it however.

 

[traderjake]

Yes, it makes perfect sense to swap seats during an engine failure at 110kts

How can we possibly survive without the judgement and wisdom demonstrated by Dewitt in his letter.

I still can't find the heroics of the CLT reps in the MOU.

 

[Claxon]

It makes perfect sense if the guy at the controls is a completely incompetent idiot and inaction will cause certain disaster. You guys never seem to know a disastrous situation when you see it however.

That was some disaster when Mike Cleary fended off the Nic along with the eastern div pilots. No Nic going into an AA merger.
I love when you are continuously baffled by arbitration. All the other arbitrations went down and were final. The Nic goes down 7 years ago and still isn't in place. Think maybe you missed something in class that day metro.
Keep pontificating though. It is amusing to watch you go deeper in the hole! You not understanding? Amusing. Watching you blow 2 million plus on incompetent lawyers who don't understand?Priceless!

 

[Claxon]

How can we possibly survive without the judgement and wisdom demonstrated by Dewitt in his letter.

I still can't find the heroics of the CLT reps in the MOU.

That won't stop you from voting yes.

 

[traderjake]

That was some disaster when Mike Cleary fended off the Nic along with the eastern div pilots.

Yes, you told us how you get on your knees to thank him.

 

[dca319]

Three lists. Three arbitrators. One decision. Move on. The integration needs to be based on current ops...not the dream sheet from 6 years ago that could never be used in operations.

You think it's all going to just go away because we were able to delay implementation? I wish it were that easy.

 

[PullUp]

Correct. The MOU and JCBA do not provide the basis for changing the seniority list. The TRANSITION AGREEMENT does.

The MOU and JCBA are not the basis, they are the vehicle used by the T. A. to implement the arbitrated list between east and west. That will happen before MB arbitration.

Checkmate.

And by the way, you are playing tennis at a chess game. No wonder you are confused!

4. It is the intent of the Parties that, as of the Effective Date, the terms and conditions of employment
for pilots employed by New American Airlines and US Airways will be set by the MTA ...the Parties agree that each term of the MTA
shall be applicable to all US Airways pilots at the earliest practicable time for each such term, and
such terms, when applicable, shall govern and displace any conflicting or wholly or partially
inconsistent provision of the former US Airways pilot agreements or the status quo arising thereunder.
Once the MTA has been fully implemented, it shall fully displace and render a nullity any prior
collective bargaining agreements applicable to US Airways pilots and any status quo arising
thereunder.
The way I read it, the current TA is nullified and replaced by the MTA.
Cheers.