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Top US government insider Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, a man who held numerous different influential positions under three different Presidents and still works with the Defense Department, shockingly told The Alex Jones Show yesterday that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001 and that he was prepared to testify in front of a grand jury how a top general told him directly that 9/11 was a false flag inside job.

Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations, Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior, and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense. A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C. Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously completed a PhD at MIT.

Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later employed around the world.

Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence circles over the past three decades plus.

The character of Jack Ryan, who appears in many Tom Clancy novels and was also played by Harrison Ford in the popular 1992 movie Patriot Games, is also based on Steve Pieczenik.

Back in April 2002, over nine years ago, Pieczenik told the Alex Jones Show that Bin Laden had already been “dead for months,” and that the government was waiting for the most politically expedient time to roll out his corpse. Pieczenik would be in a position to know, having personally met Bin Laden and worked with him during the proxy war against the Soviets in Afghanistan back in the early 80′s.

Pieczenik said that Osama Bin Laden died in 2001, “Not because special forces had killed him, but because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had marfan syndrome,” adding that the US government knew Bin Laden was dead before they invaded Afghanistan.

Marfan syndrome is a degenerative genetic disease for which there is no permanent cure. The illness severely shortens the life span of the sufferer.

“He died of marfan syndrome, Bush junior knew about it, the intelligence community knew about it,” said Pieczenik, noting how CIA physicians had visited Bin Laden in July 2001 at the American Hospital in Dubai.

“He was already very sick from marfan syndrome and he was already dying, so nobody had to kill him,” added Pieczenik, stating that Bin Laden died shortly after 9/11 in his Tora Bora cave complex.

“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation, the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan, adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.

“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people,” asked Pieczenik.

“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik, joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces had attacked a mortuary.

Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.

“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.

“This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,” said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever heard, I mean it was absurd.”

Dismissing the government’s account of the assassination of Bin Laden as a “sick joke” on the American people, Pieczenik said, “They are so desperate to make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive….to re-elect this president so the American public can be duped once again.”

Pieczenik’s assertion that Bin Laden died almost ten years ago is echoed by numerous intelligence professionals as well as heads of state across the world.

Bin Laden, “Was used in the same way that 9/11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush junior created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism,” stated Pieczenik.

During his interview with the Alex Jones Show yesterday, Pieczenik also asserted he was directly told by a prominent general that 9/11 was a stand down and a false flag operation, and that he is prepared to go to a grand jury to reveal the general’s name.

“They ran the attacks,” said Pieczenik, naming Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Elliott Abrams, and Condoleezza Rice amongst others as having been directly involved.

“It was called a stand down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public under false pretenses….it was told to me even by the general on the staff of Wolfowitz – I will go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we can break it open,” said Pieczenik, adding that he was “furious” and “knew it had happened”.

“I taught stand down and false flag operations at the national war college, I’ve taught it with all my operatives so I knew exactly what was done to the American public,” he added.

Pieczenik re-iterated that he was perfectly willing to reveal the name of the general who told him 9/11 was an inside job in a federal court, “so that we can unravel this thing legally, not with the stupid 9/11 Commission that was absurd.”

Pieczenik explained that he was not a liberal, a conservative or a tea party member, merely an American who is deeply concerned about the direction in which his country is headin
 
Sorry but you'll have to do better than this to convince me that the previous administration knowingly and willfully murdered over 3,000 people and then were able to cover it up.

Im not a fan of Bush or Cheney but I'm more than comfortable to call BS on that with out even a moment of hesitation.

Given that load of crap I am pretty sure the rest is also.
 
Sorry but you'll have to do better than this to convince me that the previous administration knowingly and willfully murdered over 3,000 people and then were able to cover it up.

Im not a fan of Bush or Cheney but I'm more than comfortable to call BS on that with out even a moment of hesitation.

Given that load of crap I am pretty sure the rest is also.

I heard the Holocaust was BS too...that dude from Iran and a whole bunch of Germans say so.
So it must be true, or some diabolical conspiracy theory.
 
You cannot come up with a logical defense so you post that garbage?

You really believe Bush and Cheney were able to co-opt who knows how many hundreds of people to pull off the murder of 3,000 people and thenmanage to cover it up for going on ten years now? Are you serious? That is with out a doubt one of top ten humblest things I have ever heard anyone argue.
 
You cannot come up with a logical defense so you post that garbage?

You really believe Bush and Cheney were able to co-opt who knows how many hundreds of people to pull off the murder of 3,000 people and thenmanage to cover it up for going on ten years now? Are you serious? That is with out a doubt one of top ten humblest things I have ever heard anyone argue.


Logical defense of what I posted and what both I and the the show host said was questionable and you are dumb enough to dispute it at this point with out any other corroborative information available?

I did make mention more than one time 'if it is true'......

"If it is true"...you understand what that infers???

BTW, your boy Dick Cheney was on Fox News Sunday and revealed all those dumb questions you had about waterboarding,torture, the definition of torture and the legal definition....did you see it?

I never said anything pro or con regarding my position on the truther issue Woody.
 
You've gone over the edge. I'm done.

I read an interesting Op-Ed piece from Bill O'Reilly of Fox News regarding a resolution to the Torture/Interrogation debate. I don't generally pay much attention to him as I feel he's entertainer first journalist second. This time I think he offered up a good common sense approach to the dilemma.

Here was the gist of it as I deleted the article.

Since we know that the enhanced interrogation does in fact yield credible information. Information in this case that led to a successful raid on OBL resulting in his demise. We also have concerns about it's us and how we as a nation ore perceived in the world community. Going forward we allow enhanced interrogation to continue with new guidelines and permissions. Under the O'Reilly idea the POTUS would have to approve every single use.

I think this is a splendid idea. A reasonable approach in an increasingly unreasonable world
 
Since we know that the enhanced interrogation does in fact yield credible information. Information in this case that led to a successful raid on OBL resulting in his demise. We also have concerns about it's us and how we as a nation ore perceived in the world community. Going forward we allow enhanced interrogation to continue with new guidelines and permissions. Under the O'Reilly idea the POTUS would have to approve every single use.

I think this is a splendid idea. A reasonable approach in an increasingly unreasonable world


No we don't.

Nothing to substantiate that claim.

Correct.

Torture is torture. Guidelines and permissions are not going to change that fact.

Whether it is approved on a case by case basis or en mass, it is still sanctioned torture.
 
No we don't.

Nothing to substantiate that claim.

Correct.

Torture is torture. Guidelines and permissions are not going to change that fact.

Whether it is approved on a case by case basis or en mass, it is still sanctioned torture.

Whether it is torture or not seems to be an open debate.

There is credible evidence that the enhanced interrogation led us closer to OBL, No Less than Leon Pannetta said it was involved.

I'm not 100% comfortable with it. What I am 1000% comfortable is having the "Evil Doers" THINK we might water boarding might be in their future. Frankly I think the technique has far more value as a fear tactic (You don't talk we're going to waterboard you until you do) then it does as an actual tool. Part of the interrogation game is keeping the person off balance. Fear of the unknown is VERY powerful
 
Whether it is torture or not seems to be an open debate.

There is credible evidence that the enhanced interrogation led us closer to OBL, No Less than Leon Pannetta said it was involved.

I'm not 100% comfortable with it. What I am 1000% comfortable is having the "Evil Doers" THINK we might water boarding might be in their future. Frankly I think the technique has far more value as a fear tactic (You don't talk we're going to waterboard you until you do) then it does as an actual tool. Part of the interrogation game is keeping the person off balance. Fear of the unknown is VERY powerful


McCain was captured and tortured so I will take his word when he says that it is torture. I think he has the personal knowledge to make that determination.

Pannetta said no such thing. His quote essentially said nothing. He neither confirmed nor denied that the torture yielded any results.

His quote:
"In the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here," he told NBC News. "It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got. I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees."

The evil doers are willing to commit suicide to accomplish their goals. You think they are worried about water boarding? The KSM guy or what ever his name is gave out an abundance of bogus info while being water boarded. Torture is not a reliable form of interrogation.
 
The evil doers are willing to commit suicide to accomplish their goals. You think they are worried about water boarding? The KSM guy or what ever his name is gave out an abundance of bogus info while being water boarded. Torture is not a reliable form of interrogation.

I heard Pannetta say it on the news, so whatever he said after being coached on Obama policy makes his subsequent comment suspect.


Difference between Suicide and Enhanced Interrogation is the first has a known& immediate end result. While the second outcome is unknown and could last for years instead of seconds.

Fly a plane into a building and I'm vaporized in 20 seconds.

Get captured and interrogated? The answer is unknown. Remember they are blind with hatred and are trained/conditioned to believe we will do unspeakable things to them. That's a weakness you can fly a 747 through and if they THINK we'll Water Board them so much the better.

If I had a new detainee I'd have a tape of prisoners screaming and begging for mercy playing in such a way that he/she couldn't tell it was a tape. Good interrogation involves getting inside their head to the point were talking seems like the best option available.
 
I heard Pannetta say it on the news, so whatever he said after being coached on Obama policy makes his subsequent comment suspect.


If you want to use that line of reasoning then everything Bush (or any politician for that matter) said was suspect as well. There were how many reasons given for the invasion of Iraq? How many Bush officials denied that torture was taking place until it came out that torture was taking place?

The quote I posted from Pannetta was given on May 3. As far as I am aware that was the first quote he gave on the topic. So according to your line of reasoning any subsequent quotes would be suspect. I have done a quick search and I cannot find any quotes that differ in content from the original. I have found interpretations that read into the quote but no direct quotes. What did you find that is different?

Yes suicide and torture are different. How ever given their die hard attitude the threat of the later will have little effect on their actions IMO.
 
Pannetta said no such thing. His quote essentially said nothing. He neither confirmed nor denied that the torture yielded any results.

His quote:


The evil doers are willing to commit suicide to accomplish their goals. You think they are worried about water boarding? The KSM guy or what ever his name is gave out an abundance of bogus info while being water boarded. Torture is not a reliable form of interrogation.

Panetta again:

Asked by NBC-TV’s Brian Williams about the information obtained from detainees that led to the bin Laden takedown, Panetta replied: ‘We had multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to this situation. … Clearly some of it came from detainees [and] they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of those detainees.”
When Williams asked whether "waterboarding" was one of those techniques, Panetta replied: “That’s correct.”

Duh........
 
And ye t he does not say that the information was a result of the torture just that some info came from the detainees and that the detainees were tortured.
 

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