Deadline To Reject Pit Lease Will Not Be Extended

[AOG-N-IT]

AOG,

No one will get all they initially ask for. That is the nature of the beast. Compromise will have to be reached. PA is now on an even playing field for reasons I can not discuss on these boards. They are prepared for whatever U chooses to do. It is no longer a "one-way street". In that respect, both, IMO, need each other. Labor will be in that mix. Trust me.

PB,
Like you..I too feel that both parties need one another...but if a comprimise between the two parties are within the offing as you say?..and I believe you BTW.

I still see us being a number of hundreds of millions shy of the savings that Seigel is now speaking of again....and that's assuming yet again that his calculations are better than what they were before? How many are going to buy into that?...or is it a matter of having nothing left to believe in..followed by some strain of wholesale submission out of fear and anxiety?

Like Chip pointed out in another rare humor laced thread , "The employees' are in need of a break"....not another clubbing as I see being leveled our way again.

Seigel is clammering about us being in his corner at this time...and many of us were in the beginning...and we got the pounding of a lifetime by extending that trust. I do believe the needed "fence mending" needs to be an overt and positive move from he himself.

I think a move to say good-bye to Mr. They Roar , We Pounce would be a heck of a first step in re-establishing some sense of shared sacrifice and wholesale unity between management and labor. Bad or harsh advice in the inner-circles is hardly going to be viewed in a favorable manner....and trust will continue to decline.

 

[pitguy]

Who can blame the state and local politicians for getting weary of The New Lorenzo and his unprofessional games of dishonesty. He is 'high maintenance' and tiresome, like dealing with a toddler. Maybe he needs his backside slapped to teach him the difference from right and wrong.





------Nothing worse than a short dude with attitude.

 

[ClueByFour]

In that respect, both, IMO, need each other.

Wise words, indeed.

Both Agh. county and the state of PA have been hammered for many years by the downfall of the steel industry, and other blue collar jobs and revenue streams moving out. They have come thru it just fine.

The county is a perfect example. The city of Pittsburgh is dead broke, but the county is in good shape and will continue to be. US thinks that the threat of the jobs and the hub leaving scares the local politicos. It does not.

Plus, it's a relatively empty threat. Where else are you going to run that many flights a day to/from a place with the kind of facilities and the O and D that PIT brings? And, where do you think you are going to find a municipality ready to get the same kind of shaft that Dave and Dave are trying to give to PIT 5 years from now?

OTOH, there would be an impact if the hub leaves.

What you are seeing here is a business that was arrogant enough to play hardball, and a government(s) who called the bluff.

The debt at the airport will be reduced, but not in a way that shifts the burden to the local and state taxpayer.

 

[PITbull]

AOG,

Now you did, your last paragraph will arouse flyonthewall.

 

[AOG-N-IT]

AOG,

Now you did, your last paragraph will arouse flyonthewall.

Lovely...I have an industrial grade fly swatter at the ready. I'll work on my overhead slam and back hand in the meantime.

 

[N628AU]

AOG,

No one will get all they initially ask for. That is the nature of the beast. Compromise will have to be reached. PA is now on an even playing field for reasons I can not discuss on these boards. They are prepared for whatever U chooses to do. It is no longer a "one-way street". In that respect, both, IMO, need each other. Labor will be in that mix. Trust me.

Reasons you cannot discuss? Hey PITBull, Chip got your password and is now signing on and typing threads as you! LOL

 

[PITbull]

Thanks N6,

I know it sounds like him LOL.... Sorry.

Damn, I need a vacation.....

 

[blueoceans]

Yes, Pittsburgh has a lot to offer. Philadelphia has a lot to offer. Basic problem: Two hubs in the state of PA make little sense for any airline, anywhere.

 

[ClueByFour]

Thought for today

Would you want to be the politician who is responsible for the elimination of all of the jobs that losing the PIT hub would cause? Especially since one of the nations most powerful senators is up for re-election?

Prediction: Massive Press conference prior to X-Mass holiday announcing a deal with Rendell, Specter, the PIT & PHL locals all smiling and making nice, talking about bi partisan cooperation and the government, private sector partnership and all of that BS.

Counter-thought for the day:

Do you want to be the politician who raises taxes on a shrinking tax base of several million to pay for the jobs of 9,000 or so?

I'll say it again: there are two possible ways that this gets paid for, and two ways only:

1. Getting the feds to allow PIT to direct some of the PFC towards debt reduction.

2. Slots revenue.

In the absence of either of the above, you will not see new taxpayer money given to US Airways. It's that simple.

On a statewide basis, far more votes in places like Bradford, St. Marys, Fort Littleton and the like will be lost if taxes are raised to bail out US that will be gained by those whose jobs might be in jeopardy. In the county, the same thing will occur.

Besides which, I have yet to hear a reasonable plan for exactly where US would hub their armada of regional jets if they left PIT. US does not have the leverage that everyone seems to think.

 

[delldude]

Yes, Pittsburgh has a lot to offer. Philadelphia has a lot to offer. Basic problem: Two hubs in the state of PA make little sense for any airline, anywhere.

yes,but from what i understand PHL and most other east coast airports are or were pretty much maxed out as far as arrivals/departures...most PIT traffic was supposed to go more or less in the east/west direction..

 

[linemech]

The latest from IAM local 1976 in PIT is that the leases in question do not include any maintenance facilities. As to whether U will fly a/c in to PIT only for Mtc. is another question.

 

[delldude]

The latest from IAM local 1976 in PIT is that the leases in question do not include any maintenance facilities. As to whether U will fly a/c in to PIT only for Mtc. is another question.

Bring it on...like Chuck Noll...it may be my time to get on with my lifes work....

 

[delldude]

The latest from IAM local 1976 in PIT is that the leases in question do not include any maintenance facilities. As to whether U will fly a/c in to PIT only for Mtc. is another question.

if you remember when U first tried holding the carrot out to all involved,they said they'd guarantee the same level of SERVICE that they had in the past until sep.4th. service and maintenance are two different ball games.alot didn't realize what the company was infering..this could get interesting by any means.
vewy vewy interesting.....