Cwa, Afa, & Iam Updates

[SpinDoc]

You didn't mention the loss of two weeks of vacation...down to four weeks..and that those four weeks would be paid at 75% pay...oh, yeah...and the 50% pay for the first five days of sick time for EACH occurance...and loss of all priemiums such a customer contact pay...loss of three more holidays..down to five, etc. etc. etc.
Quit trying to paint a rosy picture. Talk to a few more agents and see what the general feeling is. Most everybody I've talke to would NEVER vote yes for anything even remotely similar to this proposal. What did you think about that 86% yes vote for a strike approval? Don't you think that kinda' says it all?

[post="199927"][/post]​

What's the problem here folks? The company
is not asking for 100% of your pay and benefits
which would happen if the company was forced
into CH7. They are asking for some temporary
adjustments to pay scale and seniority scales.
If the company makes it past February and
starts showing a profit in two years, you can
bet that pay scales will rise again as they
always have.

Think before you make stupid, emotional
statements.

 

[wings396]

the fsc says all stations ,wings does that mean all stations what about the stations that are contracted and have psa on ramp and mainline express inside.

[post="199928"][/post]​

I believe that those stations that have lost the ramp to outside vendors, will remain that way. I wish that the IAM would stand up to see that that is reversed, but I doubt it very much. This is a topic that should be brought to the IAM, but in the past they told the people in those staions that it was a Dead Issue. I think those stations were AVP, BTV, DAY, STL....and maybe one more.

 

[18yrsandstillonnights]

ok, here's another question for everyone that someone may be able to clearify.
According to the company offer in reference to sick time usage it says : First 5 consecutive days of each sick occurrence are paid at 50% of the employee's schedule hours and decremented at a 50% rate.
So does this mean that you are getting credit for 1/2 of your hours, example 4 for 8 hr shift, and then only receiving 50% pay for those hours ?? thus making it actually 1/4 pay for sick day usage for the first 5 consecutive days?

 

[diogenes]

Any clarification as to which stations will get expressed?

In the company's original proffer to the IAM, all stations, save BOS,CLT,DCA,FLL,LGA,PHL and PIT would be expressed 1/5/05.

Any changes?

If not, and the IAM puts it out to the membership, then that will be an invitation for the 'Lucky 7' to throw their brothers and sisters under the bus, a la ALPA.

Integrity is about to get a gut check.

 

[PITbull]

What's the problem here folks? The company
is not asking for 100% of your pay and benefits
which would happen if the company was forced
into CH7. They are asking for some temporary
adjustments to pay scale and seniority scales.
If the company makes it past February and
starts showing a profit in two years, you can
bet that pay scales will rise again as they
always have.

Think before you make stupid, emotional
statements.

[post="199954"][/post]​

Talk about "stupid statments"....

No where on any proposal does it speak to "temporary"....

Many of the company's proposals to labor have no wage "snap backs" if the co. returns to profitability. There is no "triggering event".

Put your money where your BIG MOUTH is....change the proposals to reflect snap backs with profit "triggers".

 

[Hawk]

We are trying extremely hard to achieve an agreement with all groups. Most of the three groups are trying too, especially the CWA. They should be commended for their effort. Our latest proposal is exceptional for them.

We will protect the majority of reservation jobs and for those who aren't protected, they will receive a generous payout, medical benefits for a year and lifetime travel. This is a win-win situation for each side.

The alternative, which CWA acknowledges, is much worse, we could close a reservation office, relocate it to a location where commuting isn’t an option, and they just receive contractual severance, limited medical and limited travel. This isn’t a difficult choice for the majority agents. I expect that an agreement will be reached very shortly for this group.

 

[USA320Pilot]

SpinDoc & Hawk's comments are accurate.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[repeet]

Good Grief USA320Pilot, who do you think you are, The Fake Detective?

 

[wings396]

Hawk, you should say portions of all groups. The CWA & IAM offers are only good for those in the Hubs and Focus cities. For the rest of the system, it will be $12 an hour until 2009? We know that the Company is doing this to sway the vote by making this offer to those in PHL,CLT,PIT, DCA,LGA,BOS & FLL. What about the rest of the workforce? IF the Company wants to get everyone on-board, do away with Mainline Express and make it a Level Playing field for EVERYONE. The amount of $$$ being saved by having the Expressed work for peanuts, is not going to make or break the Company!

 

[Rico]

Just curious Wings...

Not sure where you live, but I am willing to bet your cost of living is far cheaper than for those who live in one of the hub/focus cities.

I do not suppose you took that into account when you proposed your level playing feild

 

[AP Tech]

they will receive a generous payout,

A generous payout???? You must have the CWA members who will be affected confused with one or two of our recently departed highly prized leadership team. Now that was a "generous payout"!!! When the numbers finally come in, I wager the monies paid to the last 10 execs to leave the company is more than that paid to the say 800 or so people in Res who will lose their jobs.

And to 320's claim that the majority of the LGA agents were pleased with what the company is offering.....I guess we all know where the 14% who voted not to strike work.

 

[livingontheedge]

Hawk,

Please explain what is so exceptional about voting to outsource 800 jobs? I could understand if the company needed to REDUCE staffing, but this is taking 800 jobs and giving them to someone else, and, more than likely, out of the country. I fall into the proposed "nonprotected group", I have a seniority date of 11/94. I will never vote yes on proposal that splits an employee group in half and asks the majority to vote away the jobs of the minority. Even if I was in the majority, I could not send someone else's job to basically, what amounts as slave labor.

This part of the proposal seems to be designed to divide a cohesive group, get them to turn on each other. I now know how much value I have to this company,
none.

So Hawk, what area of the company do you work in?



By the way, in case you have not been privy to the customer feedback from the new .com in San Salvador......they are not pleased, to say the least.

 

[Finish or Ignore]

It's a great contract for the 14 mainline cities. A320 and others would want you to believe that we all would continue to be mainline. Does anyone really think that will happen?

 

[PITbull]

I think that CWA's strike vote had a BIG EFFECT on your managment to come to reasonability...quick! Huh? Still sucks though.

Me thinks IAM and AFA should also take a "strike ballot".

Yup, that's what me thinks.

 

[olivia]

Talked to my co workers today....

no one I talked to would endorse any proposal that includes outsourcing.


Numbers and positions would have to be very tightly written in the contract
before a large number of us would even consider voting for it.

Also, with 200 or 300 agents retiring ...I think the company can get the
savings they need without oursourcing. The 200 number is fairly accurate
in the reservation department.

Why not offer the buyout first and see how many go for it?


I'm proud of the 86 per cent! Why should we let the company be stolen
from the very people who have worked long and hard for its survival???

I am proud of the professionalism of our group. Best of luck to all!

also I want to thank one of the posters above for the big laugh I enjoyed earlier!
thank you!!