Council 70 Meeting USAFA topic 24Jan-

[Onestep2flt]

I believe an explanation was already garnered from your original post. He was asked to join the crew of flight 1549 as was a member of USAPA for the pilots. I am not sure why this was posted again if the intention was not to "flame" anyone after the original thread was closed.

I am sure that Mr. Flores has his flaws, but I believe that the intent was to show support for his work group just as USAPA showed for theirs. I think the whole crew of flight 1549 should be allowed to invite anyone they wish to be with them on that day and if it happened to be Mike Flores that is their prerogative. I just do not see a problem with this. The story in this thread is lacking lots of information.

I am certainly not defending Mr. Flores as a pinnacle of leadership for the flight attendant group, however that is up to the flight attendant group to decide if he is the right leader for them. To try to get people stirred up with a story of him going to the super bowl without all the facts is disingenuous at best. If you truly believe there was an Ethics violation then this is the wrong place for it to be decided.

 

[airportman]

Any member can take out a charge with the afa ethics board here in Washington. They review the case and decide if it should have a hearing. Why don't you just call AFA head office and file the papers yourself? Of course you will need to come here and present your case and the charged party has the right to defend themselves. It's like a court.

NUMBER 1
Its not a violation of any afa ethics, its a violation of the afa constitution and bi-laws.

NUMBER 2

If Your an afa member would you not like to know whats going on.

NUMBER 3

Mike has just done what he had teddy, the former mec, recalled for

 

[airportman]

I believe an explanation was already garnered from your original post. He was asked to join the crew of flight 1549 as was a member of USAPA for the pilots. I am not sure why this was posted again if the intention was not to "flame" anyone after the original thread was closed.

****You are assuming he was asked. It was posted here becase Richard says its an afa issue.

I am sure that Mr. Flores has his flaws, but I believe that the intent was to show support for his work group just as USAPA showed for theirs. I think the whole crew of flight 1549 should be allowed to invite anyone they wish to be with them on that day and if it happened to be Mike Flores that is their prerogative. I just do not see a problem with this. The story in this thread is lacking lots of information.

****again it violates the AFA constution and bylaws and USAirways bussiness ethics policy.

I am certainly not defending Mr. Flores as a pinnacle of leadership for the flight attendant group, however that is up to the flight attendant group to decide if he is the right leader for them. To try to get people stirred up with a story of him going to the super bowl without all the facts is disingenuous at best. If you truly believe there was an Ethics violation then this is the wrong place for it to be decided.

****this is just as good as any to inform the f/a's of a violation. The message board is used by f/a's.

 

[safety stud]

NUMBER 1
Its not a violation of any afa ethics, its a violation of the afa constitution and bi-laws.

NUMBER 2

If Your an afa member would you not like to know whats going on.

NUMBER 3

Mike has just done what he had teddy, the former mec, recalled for

What exactly do you want MF to do?
Or for that matter AFA to do?
Or for that matter, what are you going to do about it?

Get over yourself, He was just an escort with the flight attendants as their union representitive. This isn't the NCAA's where you loose your eligibility. Besides, you are probably mad because you didn't get to go to the game anyway. You must have been a Cards fan... Serves you right for going against the STEELER NATION...

Just my opinion...

 

[Richard]

Folks,

The original thread was here: http://www.usaviation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44875

The post regarding this issue in this thread has been deleted because it violates the rules of the boards.

Reminder--posting the contents of PM's on a public thread is specifically prohibited.

You may continue the discussion of this issue as long as it is kept in its original context--having to do with AFA.

Thank you.

 

[galley princess]

Does anyone know why March the maximum hours went back to 90 instead of 85 in PHL?

There is no open time in PHL.

Supposedly the simple act of going from 90 down to 85 meant making 120 more blocks thus removing 120 souls from reserve. What's not to like?

Now this is something that I would like to see more attention to by AFA. Simple stuff that makes a big difference.

I could care less that MF went to the Superbowl. It's not uncommon for a representative of a union to accompany a member in special situations, positive or negative. It is not out of the realm of possibility that this was simply another obligation. Not everyone is a football fan, and in my own case it would have just been time away from my home. However, I would have gone to a World Federation of wrestling if it meant supporting my fellow flight attendants. Assuming that this was a perk is presuming another person's likes/ dislikes. MF works his tail off for F/As and this union. As usual, some flight attendants tend to eat the own.

 

[sharonstoneseat]

Get over yourself, He was just an escort with the flight attendants as their union representitive. This isn't the NCAA's where you loose your eligibility. Besides, you are probably mad because you didn't get to go to the game anyway. You must have been a Cards fan... Serves you right for going against the STEELER NATION...

Just my opinion...

I agree, if no one from the AFA has been there I am sure this same poster would have been bashing MF for not supporting the Flight Attendants. It appears to be personal.

Oh LORD that game had the greatest climax. I may never be the same....

 

[FlightChic]

I don't see the big deal about MF being at the Superbowl! Somebody must be jealous! I don't see how escorting fellow flight attendants is a violation of ethics.

 

[Iheartflying]

The company doesn't push anyone to do anything. Simply inform the gate agent you need something to eat, and you will inform the when the boarding will commence, upon your return. If there is a delay, they write the reason why. Simple. I have NEVER been called in because we left the aircraft to get something to eat.

Well then you're a lucky one. I've gotten several of them and had to explain that we were hungry and NEEDED to get something to eat after flying 6 legs.

 

[sharktooth]

As usual, some flight attendants tend to eat the own.

I could care less whether MF went to a football game or not, but I was forwarded an email from MF to the person requesting help.

In part, it essentially said, "What do you want me to do, I am busy conducting interviews with the press."

Because of his attitude, two FAs were illegally flown into their seventh day of duty. Seems to me that he could prioritize his workload just a little bit better, helping his "charges" in need before "helping" those already taken care of. Not leadership material, at all.

 

[sharktooth]

Well then you're a lucky one. I've gotten several of them and had to explain that we were hungry and NEEDED to get something to eat after flying 6 legs.

When you work in an environment bereft of intellect or experience like we do, full of "managers" who have problems fighting their way out of wet paper bags, your only recourse is to set boundaries and adhere to them. That is the only way the management structure can "learn" and change. Costing management cash or causing them to preside over statistical anomalies (late departures, for instance) is the remaining (only) way to bring workplace problems to their attention and possible change.

If you are willing to "suck it up" or are afraid to protest, management (as a group) is not intelligent enough to recognize a problem, much less, deal with it.

It is sad we have allowed such a lazy environment to take hold, but it can be changed.

I suggest you consider that after three legs, the crew might need a break, say, thirty minutes. Ensure that the break is not considered concurrent with a "bag drag" to another airplane but in addition to. Bringing up your concerns early in a trip can guarantee that everyone in the crew is on board.