Coalition Of Anti-amfa Raid

[Nightwatch]

What started as a welders dream ended as a failure. We'll be seeing big changes this year, like Decision 2004 changing his failure of an alias...HAHAHA!

<----------------And feel free to grab ya a kleenex....courtesy of the TEAMTWU!

 

[Radman]

You still don't get it, it is not over. It will never be over until we vote. If you want it to be over help bring it to a vote! Until that time NO VOTE NO PEACE.

 

[High Speed Steel]

Too bad Radman, but really it is over....! We here at TeamTWU are just wiping the AMFA mudd off our boots...!!!!!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

 

[James T. Kirk]

Name: Stick and Carrot
Email:
Employer: UAL
Station:
Date: Thursday July 15, 2004
Time: 0935 PM

Comments
DEAD HORSES and UAL..... The tribal wisdom of the Lakota People, passed on from generation to generation, says that, "When you discover that you are riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount."

However, in government, education, and in corporate America, more advanced strategies are often employed, such as:

Buying a stronger whip.

Changing riders.

Appointing a committee to study the horse.

Arranging to visit other countries to see how other cultures ride horses.

Lowering the standards so that dead horses can be included.

Reclassifying the dead horse as living-impaired.

Hiring outside contractors to ride the dead horse.

Harnessing several dead horses together to increase speed.

Providing additional funding and/or training to increase dead horse's performance.

Doing a productivity study to see if lighter riders would improve the dead horse's performance.

Declaring that, as the dead horse does not have to be fed, it is less costly, carries lower overhead and therefore contributes substantially more to the bottom line of the economy than do some other horses.

Rewriting the expected performance requirements for all horses.

Promoting the dead horse to a supervisory position!

 

[Man of the People]

If AMFA is the Yugo of unions, i shudder to think where the TWU falls on this chart!!!

 

[High Speed Steel]

If AMFA is the Yugo of unions, i shudder to think where the TWU falls on this chart!!!

That is just the point People person, AMFA is an "Association"...! Designed to cater to a specific group with the projection of an elitist agenda. You know, A&P only benifit type mentality. With references to other work groups under the class and craft as "Splinter Groups"..! Makes you wonder, "What part of UNION don't they understand".......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And you question my reference to AMFA being the YUGO of the labor movement well here is an example of it's meaning.

Rember the little YUGO cars? You know the bright and shiny little cars that where promoted to be so great.... Just like AMFA, until you "Peeled off the Rind"...!

Ps.

Would like to see Delle's new YUGO? Then visit the message boards at amfanuts.com...!!!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

 

[Decision 2004]

That is just the point People person, AMFA is an "Association"...! Designed to cater to a specific group with the projection of an elitist agenda. You know, A&P only benifit type mentality. With references to other work groups under the class and craft as "Splinter Groups"..! Makes you wonder, "What part of UNION don't they understand".......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So the,

Allied Pilots ASSOCIATION (AA Pilots)

and the

ASSOCIATION of Professional Flight Attendants (AA Flight Attendants)

they have it all wrong, and should join the TWU and give you some of their pay and benefits? That's BS, their existence a track record prove that craft UNION philosophy is superior to industrial unionism. The Flight Attendants of AA used to be TWU, they left and I dont see them begging to return to give you a better deal. Both of these groups have either struck or attempted to strike AA in ther recent past while the TWU has given away the farm.

Feel free to start a card drive to get them to join your worthless union, there is NO PROHIBITION from those craft or classes joining the TWU, the NMB just wont let you vote on the issue of them joining.

The International Association of Machinist, Fraternal Order of Police, International Brotherhood of Electricians, and so on, should join the TWU and give up their skill and worth to save your sorry ass from capitalism? Get a freakin clue!

You are total disgrace to the Machinist skil and are nothing more than a boat anchor to Machinist that work as Aircraft Maintenance Technicians holding close tolerances and strict manual requiements. Why don't you go work for a sweat-shop where you belong working on oil rig equipment?

 

[dreese]

You can wipe mudd off boots all you want but they are going to stay dirty until we get a vote so rest up cause this is far from over I plan on fighting twice as hard next time I dont like people to steal from me

 

[Mark Inman]

These Dip ####’s TWUER,Highspeed steel and Knightwatch evidently don't work in Tulsa. There has been more TWU supporters tell me this week they have no faith left in this union after this joke they called an election. I have talked to a lot of TWU supporters this week who said they all voted to remove the incumbents and think the results of the vote are an embarrassment. Great job 514 we won't even have to campaign before the vote on representation now. NO VOTE :angry: NO PEACE!!!!!!

 

[Man of the People]

High Speed Steel, I think you have been consuming too much TWU Kool Aid. Your references to Associations, leads me to argue the following point: Doesn't the IAM (International ASSOCIATION of Machinists) fall under this category as well? Upon review of your argument, I must concede. You are correct, based on using the IAM as a template. Clearly this ASSOCIATION is "self-centered," looking only after their fat-cat union jobs and continuing to keep the flow of dues money going in to their pockets-----without representation....

 

[Bob Owens]

So the,

Allied Pilots ASSOCIATION (AA Pilots)

and the

ASSOCIATION of Professional Flight Attendants (AA Flight Attendants)

they have it all wrong, and should join the TWU and give you some of their pay and benefits? That's BS, their existence a track record prove that craft UNION philosophy is superior to industrial unionism. The Flight Attendants of AA used to be TWU, they left and I dont see them begging to return to give you a better deal. Both of these groups have either struck or attempted to strike AA in ther recent past while the TWU has given away the farm.

Feel free to start a card drive to get them to join your worthless union, there is NO PROHIBITION from those craft or classes joining the TWU, the NMB just wont let you vote on the issue of them joining.

The International Association of Machinist, Fraternal Order of Police, International Brotherhood of Electricians, and so on, should join the TWU and give up their skill and worth to save your sorry ass from capitalism? Get a freakin clue!

You are total disgrace to the Machinist skil and are nothing more than a boat anchor to Machinist that work as Aircraft Maintenance Technicians holding close tolerances and strict manual requiements. Why don't you go work for a sweat-shop where you belong working on oil rig equipment?

I think if HSS checked the makeup of the AFL-CIO he would find that more "labor organizations" call themselves something other than "union".

NEA, IBT,AFSCME,IAM,IBEW,AFT,United Steelworkers of America,United Brotherhoood of Carpenters, CWA,NALC,United Association of Journeytmen of the Plumbing and Pipe Industry. IAFF, UNITE,AFGE,AACSE, UMW, BCTW are all labor organizations, unions in other words, who do not have the word Union in their titles but are all larger than the TWU.

Collectively these organizations represent over 7 million union members.

However is seems that according to HSS none of these people are "union members ".



I do think however there is confusion as to the political beliefs of our leaders. They may be totalitarian, they may even spew some leftish rhetoric, but they are strictly bottom line. $$$$$$$$$. As far as they are concerned the members are a commodity used to provide them with wealth much the same way a corporation is there to provide the shareholders wealth.

With the TWU all the talk of "membership" is pure rhetoric. The "membership" has no control over the organization. They can not choose the top representatives where all the power of the union lies. The TWU often makes claims and lies to the members to hide the truth about the organization. I'll go though a few of the lies that the TWU puts forth.

LIE # 1.

"The members have the right to vote on contracts, its written in the Constitution."

Despite the language we do not have this right. The TWU argued in court, citing other cases where Unions were allowed to impose contracts without a vote, that the language guaranteeing our right to vote is open to interpretation by the International. The TWU testified that that language only applies to completely new contracts, not amended contracts. Since under the RLA contracts are only amendable under most conditions then as long as the members who were on payroll back in the 1940s got to vote on the first "completely new" contract, the TWU has satified that Constitutional right to "the members".


LIE #2

"You dont need to vote for the International Officers who represent the TWU to the company because the Presidents council has control over everything they do."

The fact is that the Presidents council has no Constitutional, enforcable decision making powers. Basically its a fascade, it exists to make the members, and many Presidents, feel that they really have some input. Over the years the International has gotten very good at ensuring that the council eventually comes to the conclusion that the International desires. However back in 1999 the International did not get its way. The International wanted seperate Locals. The Presidents could not be swayed, so Sonny imposed it on them. I'm told that ORD President Joy Calloway cursed out Sonny Hall. In retaliation Sonny Hall illegally interfered in the next election at ORD and may have had a hand in the termination of another ORD Local union official. They sued, and both reportedly walked away with out of court settlements.

Sonnys vindicive heavy handedness has cost Union members money. Depite losing lawsuits, being convicted of violating members rights and costly out of court settlements Sonny has not changed his ways. He is being sued for various transgressions against the former militant Local 501 board. Some of whom were terminated during an election in what appears to be a case of company-union collusion to rid Sonny Hall of rivals. Several of those victimized by this apparent conspiracy ran against Sonny Hall in the last Convention. I nominated one of thoose officers, Jack Sullivan to run against John Kerrigan who also had a part in my removal.

Faced with the examples of Joy Calloway, Local 234(where Sonny interfered with elections), the officers of Local 501, and the officers of Local 562, all vocal opponents of Sonny Hall, who were subsequently removed by Sonny Hall, any President who opposes Sonny does so at the risk of at the very least removal from office, a significant pay cut and possible termination from the company.

The fact is the Presidents have no power. According to the International, their oath dictates that all local officers must put the Internationals interests ahead of the members. This was clearly stated by the International in the document they sent to me describing their reasons for removing me from office.

LIE #3

"The Locals are autonomous."

While they may be "on their own" they most certainly are not self governing or independant of the laws of another. The laws of the local, in other words the bylaws are subject to the approval of the International. If you can not make your own rules, if another body determines what rules you can have, then you are not autonomous.

Several of the previuos examples, Joy Calloway, Local 501 and Local 562 all reveal how "autonomous" the locals are. Once again, this brings us back to Sonny Halls interpretation of the Oath of office.An oath that according to the International pledges Loyalty to the International ahead of the members.

I think thats enough for now. Anyone care to challenge with facts and examples anything I've said so far? Be back in a couple of days.

 

[Stop the Bus..I Want Off!!]

High Speed Steel, I think you have been consuming too much TWU Kool Aid. Your references to Associations, leads me to argue the following point: Doesn't the IAM (International ASSOCIATION of Machinists) fall under this category as well? Upon review of your argument, I must concede. You are correct, based on using the IAM as a template. Clearly this ASSOCIATION is "self-centered," looking only after their fat-cat union jobs and continuing to keep the flow of dues money going in to their pockets-----without representation....

All these twu wannabes have had their heads submerged in the blue water for way to long. team twu is a joke!! Had to hire a PR firm to help fend off the Big Bad AMFA!! Associations, unions.......twu morons rampant!!! Must be a good feeling knowing the company has your back!!

Keep the Faith....AMFA NOW!!!!!!!

 

[My World]

What started as a welders dream ended as a failure. We'll be seeing big changes this year, like Decision 2004 changing his failure of an alias...HAHAHA!

<----------------And feel free to grab ya a kleenex....courtesy of the TEAMTWU!

He can change is screen name to Defeated 2004

 

[Mark Inman]

You can change your screen name to someone please help me explain to the majority that I am right. Team Twu is a bunch of pitiful loosers and more people see it every day. You guys were so focused on showing the AMFA guys that you could control your election that you pissed of the rest of your supporters. Thanks guys we didn't need your help campaigning but we appreciate it. NO VOTE :angry: NO PEACE!!!!!

 

[Radman]

Too bad Radman, but really it is over....! We here at TeamTWU are just wiping the AMFA mudd off our boots...!!!!!

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AMFA: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

Yeah, I have had some run ins with the big bad team twu and they really scared me even when they were running off because someone turned the fire up under their frying pan. They are nothing but a bunch of know nothings pretending to know something by repeating what the one next to them says no matter how stupid it sounds. One of them even said that they had the president of the RLA in their pocket. WHAT AN IDIOT!!! :huh: :huh: :huh: :huh: