Cabin Cleaner stole from Parked Planes
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Sorry dude, if your bag or crew with access to the bags, I'm not you nor do your job. When there is a rash of FMC box thefts , cockpit fire extinguishers ect, I'll be more than happy to participate in "cockpit equipment inventory control". Until then, stop whining and looking for someone else to make misearable who isn't a part of a group with a problem.
A tiny bottle of Jack or Crown isn't worth much to somebody who can nab 8 or 9 IPODS a week and sell them on Ebay for hundreds of dollars. This guy got caught becaue what he took had a GPS embedded inside it that led AA and the police right to his house where they found a ton of other stuff presumed taken off of other AA planes at DFW. Lost and found at DFW is outsourced, so if you find a IPOD or laptop,etc...and turn it in, what are the odds that 18 year old kid who's making $6.00hr is going to put it in his pocket and pretend nobody ever turned it in...
No need to get defensive, but I see where you believe that you are entitled to cast stones at others, but the same rules dont apply to you. A flight crew member can steal, just like anyone else. There are bad apples everywhere. Being a pilot does not make you exempt.
The person in question here allegedly stole items off the airplane. Thats where you work, right?
jimntx
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Whether it affects AA's bottom line or not is moot. Stealing is stealing. Getting away with it for years does not make it less a crime than a first offense. "Everyone else does it" or "if you turn it in, the kid who is supposed to take it to Lost and Found will pocket it" is not a valid defense.
If it were when you got stopped for speeding, you could use the "everyone else does it" argument with the cop writing your ticket. (P.S. I wouldn't recommend that tactic.
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If it were when you got stopped for speeding, you could use the "everyone else does it" argument with the cop writing your ticket. (P.S. I wouldn't recommend that tactic.
)Whether it affects AA's bottom line or not is moot. Stealing is stealing. Getting away with it for years does not make it less a crime than a first offense. "Everyone else does it" or "if you turn it in, the kid who is supposed to take it to Lost and Found will pocket it" is not a valid defense.
If it were when you got stopped for speeding, you could use the "everyone else does it" argument with the cop writing your ticket. (P.S. I wouldn't recommend that tactic.
I agree with what your saying, however there is somewhat of a gray area in all of this. A while back a lady was cleaning a flight at the gate and found a pair of expensive designer sunglass's in a seatback pocket and walked off the plane with them. A few minutes later the agent and passenger came back on board to retrieve the glass's and the FA said she saw the cleaner walk of with them. They questioned the cleaner and she denied ever seeing or having them, so the passenger called DFW DPS and filed a theft complaint. DPS questioned the cleaner and she still denied everything, so DPS told the passenger it was a case of "abandonment". If you walk off a plane and leave a personal item behind there's not much that can be done other then hope the person that finds it is honest. What should be turned in or not turned in? Is going up on a plane with the intention of stealing 10 mini's of liquor the same as finding a IPOD in a seatback pocket and not turning it in? Are the FA's who scurry up and down the aisle's looking for People and US magazines that folks left behind stealing as well? Is there a dollar fiqure on what should or should not be turned in?
That many IPODS a week, you know this guy?
You sure he's not working for the TSA?
http://m2m.tmcnet.com/news/2010/08/20/4968205.htm
http://blog.tsa.gov/2008/02/tsa-our-officers-public-and-theft.html
The fact is that passengers get robbed everywhere during their so called "vacations", yet they can only recall the Airline's name when complaining.
One passenger loses a ipod per ten thousand boarded. But, tens of thousand of botttles of liquor missing systemwide each day that hurts us AALL
jimntx
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In the first place, it would be almost impossible for a cleaner to steal liquor hours after the flight. On last flight of the day before a RON, the catering carts are sometimes removed from the plane before all the passengers get off.
Moral relativism will not get you very far in a court of law. They are not interested in debating whether this theft is more or less serious than another theft you happen to know about. They are interested in convicting you or finding you not guilty of the theft for which you are charged.
The last time there was a big push to "catch" the flight attendants at LGA stealing liquor, they uncovered a theft ring of catering truck drivers that were stealing from ALL the airlines. One of them owned a bar and was stocking it from what he took from the airlines.
Now, the flight attendants might be called on aiding and abetting because we so seldomly did the opening or closing inventory as we were supposed to do. However, I used to do them, and seal the beverage carts with the lock seals provided. After I witnessed a catering truck driver at DFW tear the lock seals off and remove the beer inserts from the carts he had just removed from my galley, I called corporate security and left a message (they never answer the phone) reporting the incident. Never got so much as a "thanks, but no thanks." In fact, I called later to follow up and the person that I finally got to call me back denied that they had ever gotten any such message.
If corporate security doesn't care, why should I? That's when I quit wasting my time doing the inventory. Of course, we don't do it at all now because there are no more liquor envelopes to fill out.
JFK Fleet Service
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jimntx said:If it were when you got stopped for speeding, you could use the "everyone else does it" argument with the cop writing your ticket. (P.S. I wouldn't recommend that tactic.
I can vouch for that not working...got yanked for just keeping up with traffic at 65-70,told the cop "Everyone else was too" and he said "Yeah, but I got you" and wrote me anyway.
As far as turning things in, I've handed in at least half a dozen laptops and scores of ipods,cell phones and other crap.I don't care what the agent/FA/CSM does with it after I hand it to them.I'm no longer in possession of the item and don't care.
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Seriously, who can afford coke on an airline salary?...
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How dare you accuse a Sky God of theft!! Or even assume they are mere mortals. Now on your knees and beg for fogiveness!! :angry: :huh: 😱 🙁
Every one of 'em. You've got to think like a coke head!!!
First of all, you don't need security first, you need to positively identify the culprit first, a name would be best, description of what the culprit is wearing, a time, flight, gate, vehicle number, aircrat number, company name to match the incident.
You can text or email that info, right from the galley of the aircraft, before you deplane. The person that you named may have other prior incidents, and corpoate security needs to nab this person in the act with the goods in tow.
You don't have to give your name or employee number.
Still, you just can't call and say something, like hey dude......the caterer is stealing......then hang up.
The job you save many be your own.
Frank Szabo
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... uh, the turkeys calling themselves management and collecting the million dollar un-bonuses might have enough bucks to score a tad for their parties.
They aren't subject to drug testing and I'd love to see their results.
