La Li Lu Le Lo
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That is not true. The people that pay them off defend them.99Roadstar said:
Bye bye Tulsa
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So you would still work overtime while your fellow employees were just riffed or laid-off huh? That says a lot... Gee, "I GOT MINE" This is one of the reasons AA is able to reap all the crap they reap because you guys are so divided there. The other reasons are simple, the TWU and company are always working together and agreeing on concessions.
La Li Lu Le Lo
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I think you judge me too harshly.swamt said:
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[SIZE=10.5pt]It is not about "getting mine" it is about meeting my obligations as a married man.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]First off I was probably in the lower 7 percent of the shop. Most likely I would be the first out of the door in a RIF. My chances of watching others hit the door while I stayed on the clock would be slim at best. At least with some overtime I could minimize the impact of layoff, not to mention being toward the bottom of the list I have less "prep" time before I hit the door.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Second the scenario Bob created implies that it is an inevitability that the base is going to close. So you are implying I should hurt myself and my family to what..... buy the senior people a few months?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]When it comes down to it my primary responsibility is to provide financial security for myself and my family. I will NOT put coworkers’ welfare above my families.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Would you? Any of you?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]I have support for the membership but there is a limit. You seem to be painting me as a strikebreaker.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]Is that your intent?[/SIZE]
Let me put it another way just to clarify my position.
I WOULD NOT begrudge someone for working overtime when it is inevitable that the station/base/shop/whatever is about to be shut down. That is a responsible thing to do. I WOULD begrudge someone for crossing a picket line during a strike, because that demeans the sacrifice of the membership.
I hope you agree with my point of view, if you do not I hope you can at least understand it.
MetalMover
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My how things have changed.....BigMac said:
Maybe some good will come from a special visit to TULE tomorrow.
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I can guarantee you that if OldGuy@AA gets ahold of him you may get that answer and more.2ndGENAMT said:
Glenn Quagmire
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Those exact same statements and justifications were made by the scabs as they walked past us on the picket line. That is why you get the response you get here. Justifying overtime while people are laid off is lame.La Li Lu Le Lo said:
At NWA, they could force people to work overtime in reverse seniority order, so we would not begrudge those that were 'forced' over.
La Li Lu Le Lo
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I have made my case. I have nothing more to say about it.Glenn Quagmire said:
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2ndGENAMT said:
Why would you be surprised? Its the way the process is supposed to work. Now whether or not they actually strike that's another story. A PEB would be likely if the TWU were to come out with a statement saying they will support the IAM. Why? Because that would make it more likely that Commerce would be disrupted. That's the PEBs job, not the NMB. The TWU should go to the point of mentioning that the RLA allows secondary picketing and we should not cross IAM picket lines. A strike would be more likely if we don't do these things. At the very least we should not work OT if they are on strike. We stand to gain if their strike is successful, they would be going without a paycheck for something that benefits all of us, not working OT, and walking the picket lines with them for a few hours is the least we could do to show support. The AA system, and most others, rely on OT, its built into their business model. They rely on the fact that they have cut our pay so much that we have to work OT to get by, well if we want that to change then we are going to have to bite the bullet, but our pain would be nothing compared to what the IAM guys would be dealing with.Thats the equivilent of 120 hours of OT.
Lets face it Parker would much rather start his joint negotiations with US/IAM at the very bottom, by a very wide margin from other carriers, and us right next to them with worse work rules and benefits. These are voluntary negotiations, we have a contract, and it doesn't become amendable till 2018. So they can throw crumbs out there tell us here take it and add a few years to the deal or come back and talk to us in 2018, but they cant say that to the IAM, and that's good for both of us. If the IAM settles without a deal that brings their pay up to industry standard we all lose. The very last thing I want to see is any sort of a joint deal that goes beyond 2018, but that's been Parkers style.
Release only has to do with whether or not the mediator feels that more talks would be productive, the LIRR in NY which carried more passengers than AA, and all in just one city, 90 million, was recently released. They went to a PEB, but the RR actually rejected it, now it looks like it will go to a second PEB, then Congress or a mid summer strike. If they do strike it will cripple Long island, even in the middle of the Summer when many are on vacation , and it would have a huge impact on NYC as well, because that's where most people take it. Two main terminating spot are Penn station in Midtown Manhattan and Atlantic Ave in Brooklyn, a short Subway ride to Wall Street. But even with all that the process is still going forward. there was never a question as far as whether or not they would be released, only when will they be released to strike, they can only extend it so long, that end date is coming in July. The process is the same for us.
So if they don't release them then what's really going on is the Union does not want to be released. That's what happened with us, when we rejected the 2010 TA we had already taken a strike vote, went through mediation and the next step was to request a release, and I don't recall the NMB ever denying a release after three years of negotiations where the company never moved an inch in those three years and a TA rejection. We most certainly could have gone forward back in the summer of 2011 when the NMB walked out on us, that's the process. They have to maintain credibility in the process, there's still plenty of political wiggle room with the PEBs and Congress.
We are better off to support US in bringing their wage up closer to Delta and UAL through either a PEB or strike than rushing into a joint forum where we have little bargaining power and have two different Unions at the table. At this point they will still try and use the " you have to work for less so we can keep more of you" scam that no matter how many times they do it some still fall for it. The best way to keep extra people on the payroll at this point is to keep US metal separate from AA metal. With the shortage of mechanics getting worse by the day they will need the efficiencies more than we need to rush into a deal that will extend our tenure as the worst paid mechanics in the industry. You know they want to extend this crap way beyond 2018.
So we need to support the IAM in their struggle by any means possible, their struggle is our struggle, this way when the wage adjustment kicks in we wont have USAIRs $33/hr wage dragging the average down to $37, instead everyone will be near $40/hr. That $3/hr difference adds up quick, So turning down a few weeks of OT could help put an extra $6k in your pocket, not counting OT, compounded yearly,
Lets face it Parker would much rather start his joint negotiations with US/IAM at the very bottom, by a very wide margin from other carriers, and us right next to them with worse work rules and benefits. These are voluntary negotiations, we have a contract, and it doesn't become amendable till 2018. So they can throw crumbs out there tell us here take it and add a few years to the deal or come back and talk to us in 2018, but they cant say that to the IAM, and that's good for both of us. If the IAM settles without a deal that brings their pay up to industry standard we all lose. The very last thing I want to see is any sort of a joint deal that goes beyond 2018, but that's been Parkers style.
Release only has to do with whether or not the mediator feels that more talks would be productive, the LIRR in NY which carried more passengers than AA, and all in just one city, 90 million, was recently released. They went to a PEB, but the RR actually rejected it, now it looks like it will go to a second PEB, then Congress or a mid summer strike. If they do strike it will cripple Long island, even in the middle of the Summer when many are on vacation , and it would have a huge impact on NYC as well, because that's where most people take it. Two main terminating spot are Penn station in Midtown Manhattan and Atlantic Ave in Brooklyn, a short Subway ride to Wall Street. But even with all that the process is still going forward. there was never a question as far as whether or not they would be released, only when will they be released to strike, they can only extend it so long, that end date is coming in July. The process is the same for us.
So if they don't release them then what's really going on is the Union does not want to be released. That's what happened with us, when we rejected the 2010 TA we had already taken a strike vote, went through mediation and the next step was to request a release, and I don't recall the NMB ever denying a release after three years of negotiations where the company never moved an inch in those three years and a TA rejection. We most certainly could have gone forward back in the summer of 2011 when the NMB walked out on us, that's the process. They have to maintain credibility in the process, there's still plenty of political wiggle room with the PEBs and Congress.
We are better off to support US in bringing their wage up closer to Delta and UAL through either a PEB or strike than rushing into a joint forum where we have little bargaining power and have two different Unions at the table. At this point they will still try and use the " you have to work for less so we can keep more of you" scam that no matter how many times they do it some still fall for it. The best way to keep extra people on the payroll at this point is to keep US metal separate from AA metal. With the shortage of mechanics getting worse by the day they will need the efficiencies more than we need to rush into a deal that will extend our tenure as the worst paid mechanics in the industry. You know they want to extend this crap way beyond 2018.
So we need to support the IAM in their struggle by any means possible, their struggle is our struggle, this way when the wage adjustment kicks in we wont have USAIRs $33/hr wage dragging the average down to $37, instead everyone will be near $40/hr. That $3/hr difference adds up quick, So turning down a few weeks of OT could help put an extra $6k in your pocket, not counting OT, compounded yearly,
enough already
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Hey troll, talk about worthless.......lpbrian said:
La Li Lu Le Lo
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Hard to get a contract worth anything when you have the company (American Airlines), the UNION (TWU), and the government all [SIZE=10.5pt]conspiring [/SIZE]against the workforce.
