Bott's Post On 4m

[TransWorldONE]

Kinda like the "My Family" board, to which AA flight attendants are not welcome.

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Slight difference, Str8.

The 4M board is "open to all APFA members", which describes me. I am an APFA member.

The My family board is open to ex TWA flight attendants, which you are not.

Then, don't be a hypocrite, and open the "My Family" board to ALL AA flight attendants, and maybe the AA flight attendants would be willing to open the 4m to TWA people.

Quit acting like a victim.

Then change the board membership requirement to nAAtive American flight attendants only. Don't say it's open to all APFA members.

I would assume that there are Board moderators..maybe you should contact them.

I have

If you all want to have your own private board, fine with me. My problem with 4M is that the membership requirement is that you be an APFA member. Don't be hypocritical and say it's open to all APFA members when it's not. The TWA flight attendants are APFA members. The APFA happily accepted dues money from me. Face it...accept it...we're not going away. If some of you hadn't been so short-sighted and arrogant and accepted the willing expertise of some of TWA's brilliant negotiators, maybe there wouldn't be so many furloughed and just maybe you wouldn't be working under the horrible giveaway contract. [/QUOTE]
I don't really have any desire to go the M4 website, but it is not being a victim to belong to a "union" and not have access to a website discussing union buisness. Reno and AirCal F/A are welcome there, is it because they aren't a threat? Why would a nAAtive possibly want to be on the twa flight attendant board...we were never welcome at AA why should we welcome you to our family?

 

[StraaightTaalk]

4m is not an official APFA site, however. You would have a valid argument if the board belonged to, or was sponsored by, APFA. It is a board run by flight attendants. They are free to limit the board's membership, or call the board anything they like.

 

[Skyyggoddess]

for those of you who still have any doubts that john ward is not a total creep, please read jeff bott's post on the 4m. he worked with him for years on the bod, and tells it like it is.

Note Jeff Bott assumes no responsibility for his part in our illegal RPA. Bott authored resolution 1a that shortened the balloting time from 30 days to 15.
Both Ward and Bott were a part of the gutting of our APFA constitution...but I have yet to hear either admit they made a mistake or say they are sorry.

 

[StraaightTaalk]

Note Jeff Bott assumes no responsibility for his part in our illegal RPA. Bott authored resolution 1a that shortened the balloting time from 30 days to 15.
Both Ward and Bott were a part of the gutting of our APFA constitution...but I have yet to hear either admit they made a mistake or say they are sorry.

You are totally correct, Skyyggoddess. Both Bott and Ward took major roles in gutting our Constitution with regard to the vote. Neither has admitted any wrongdoing. For people to simply blame Ward, however, for the voting illegalities and the entire RPA situation would be inaccurate. Bott was there, and was VERY aggressive in forcing a "blank check" of concessions down the membership's throats.

As I said, people need to take everything Bott says with a grain of salt. His vain attempt at playing the blame game is despicable.

 

[jsn25911]

Yes - Both and Ward played a role in destroying the contract - but so did Linda and Juan.

Jeff is not running for office or I would say replace him also. I admire Jeff for disclosing how difficult and unsuccessful Ward is. We need to replace all of them.

Vote who you want- but at least replace these people so that we can get leadership that can redirect and make some sense out of the mess that this group has left.

AA f/a's will always be divided if Ward , Linda, and Juan remain in office. A group divided will fall.

 

[L1011Ret]

As I said in another post on this BB, if half of what Bott says is true, then you need to clean house. If you look at the Gibbs post and combine it with the Bott post giving some credence that both are grinding their own axes, you are still left with the problem of finding credible, accountable and responsible leadership for APFA. The past is only an indicator of how someone might behave in the future. Given that APFA faces a multitude of lawsuits and is polarized within, can you afford to continue with the present leadership given their past behavior and the fact that the present leadership seems incapable of healing the wounds brought on by their behavior? A less risky course would be to find capable, competent leadership for the future.