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[Bob Owens]

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On 4/30/2003 3:39:04 PM MiAAmi wrote:

The joke around here is that the only difference between the STL flight attendants and the nAAtive flight attendants is that the nAAtive flight attendants still ovulate.

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Even the guys?

 

[F/A TWAA]

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On 4/30/2003 3:39:04 PM MiAAmi wrote:

The joke around here is that the only difference between the STL flight attendants and the nAAtive flight attendants is that the nAAtive flight attendants still ovulate.

Everyone is frustrated right now but try to remember that anyone that gets transfered to STL was willing to strike over the wages that you took full advantage of over the past 2 years. I hardly think that would classify them as scabs. So take it back! or I'll tell mama!

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Oh, yeah, that's like soooo funny!!! You know, after your furlough, (which looks more likey all the time, cause you're so junior) you can become a comedy writer...........On second thought, maybe not. Because that would take talent. Perphaps you need a job that would equal your sense of maturity.....can you say, "would you like fries with that"?

 

[MiAAmi]

I know I''m shaking in my shoes right now too.

 

[MiAAmi]

Thank you Kirkpatrick! Its just silly to be bashing one another when the situation we are in effets everyone in one way or another. From losing ones job to pay cuts to forced transfers. NO ONE wants to see anyone lose their job. I have been through a BK before, Lost my job, my last months pay and had to start all over again. Its not pretty. But I didn''t blame my fellow co-workers for my misery. Good luck to all.

 

[AC AA LA FA]

The city of STL seemed to have no issue with SCABS working there after the TWA strike..and there were pleanty of them in the ranks of the 1800 there today....Im not to concerned...

 

[kirkpatrick]

There will be no scabs, or scaabs, in STL. The people who will be forced there against their will didn''t do anything wrong. They just filled out a job application and got accepted.

Some people need a human to vent their frustrations against. I''d rather just punch a wall.

MK

 

[MiAAmi]

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On 4/30/2003 2:05:59 PM IORFA wrote:

Kirkpatrick,

I would assume that once the nAAtives are forced into STL, that there will most likely be a recall election and new representatives will be found. People aren''t going to like seeing Sherry Cooper running the base from the unions side. It only takes 30% of the base to sign the petition for the vote. I can''t imagine that it will be too hard for that to happen. It really is a sad day for every employee at AA! I hope things start to turn around soon.

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Can it be true!!! Sherry Cooper on her way out. Ding Dong the witch is gone. Now I guess there is some good news after all.

 

[skivoodoo]

AA also intends to open up STL to AA natives and will be forcing transfers
>into STL.

They are going to keep the LLC certificate running...with LLC front end crews, nAAtive back end. New manuals, new commands, new equipment locations (the a/c are not "over the fence" yet)...so they are going to have to train nAAtives to LLC (in a magic 8 days rather than 3 weeks like AA said it would take for LLC folks to go to nAAtive metal)...then back to AA metal when those (LLC) planes go over the fence...after all, you can''t be on two certificates. Yes, that''s financially responsible.

Then we have the real issue: the fact that STL F/A''s were able to keep their Occupational Seniority (DOH) if they stayed in STL. And they weren''t able to transfer out with their seniority. Now, however, nAAtives can transfer in to what is, essentially, a VERY senior base (STL) by back-flowing, and displacing people at that base who are WAY senior. It doesn''t matter that they are "only" senior in STL, they can''t be displaced by a silverwinger (or most gold) in a base where the JR lineholders are a ''72 DOH.

You can''t have it both ways...either LLC has the seniority in STL or it doesn''t. There are certainly 5,000 nAAtives in other bases who are JR to ''75 DOH or so--before they proffer the STL base to JR nAAtives they must exhaust everyone not "senior" enough to hold STL. In other words, EVERY LLC F/A would have to be recalled (except the May 01 class as they truly are JR in AMR Land) through STL before ANY nAAtive can proffer or accept STL as a base -OR- accept any STL originating/assigned trip regardless of the metal on which it is flown.

You can''t wipe out a base saying one''s seniority is only good there and then re-open the base one day later with JR folks. I know I''d hate to be the poor fool who proffers STL and flies a trip there after July 1! There''s a word for people who take MGT busted jobs...

 

[TWAB717]

I don''t see how you can NOT call them scAAbs. They are taking jobs from fellow "brothers and sisters." Anyone who knowingly and willingly transfers into STL will no doubt have some turbulence upon their initial descent.

 

[MiAAmi]

I have news for you, AA crews are already flying thru STL. Second we have one seniority list now so the most junior f/a's get furloughed. Since the most junior f/a's are in STL and all will be furloughed by JUL no one is displacing anyone. Its not like anyone wants to be forced to a new base. What makes you think that they will have to learn new commands and such. It should be just new equipment locations all the AA policies should be the same. We already fly 757's and MD-80's. It would be just like a different series qualification.

 

[MiAAmi]

I will let the higher ups deal with whats legal. If you are right then you are right.

 

[flydcoop]

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On 4/30/2003 5:12:21 PM kirkpatrick wrote:

There will be no scabs, or scaabs, in STL. The people who will be forced there against their will didn''t do anything wrong. They just filled out a job application and got accepted.

Some people need a human to vent their frustrations against. I''d rather just punch a wall.

MK

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Thank-you MK,

This thread is starting to make me sick.

Why can''t we focus our energies on hoping for an economic turnaround and mass attrition so ALL of us can get back to work ASAP?

Quick story, I was on a long DFW layover and went to a corner bar by myself for a nightcap. A gentleman starts talking to me. After both of us beating around the bush saying, "I''m here on business"..."transportation industry" (we all know the drill), we both figure out we''re flight attendants. He''s TWA, I''m AA. We agreed to not discuss seniority and had a wonderful conversation. He was super-cool and I hope I have the privilege of flying with him one day. I''m sure there are many more like him from TWA.

Other than the seniority disagreement, we are very much alike. Both sides are idealistic, hard-headed, and stubborn. We will fight tooth-and-claw for what we believe is right.

I truly believe that if we can sort out this Us vs. Them mentality in the years to come (when we are all back on the line working together), we will be quite formidable as a work group.

I really don''t care to be rehashing the seniority issue for the next 10-20 years.

Good luck to us ALL,

Coop

 

[TWAB717]

Nope, sorry MiAAmi, it''s not quite how you spell it out. TWA, LLC is a separate operating certificate. You can''t be trained or fly on two different operating certs simultaneously. Also, per the agreement, TWA f/a''s keep their full seniority in STL, so the top 1,000 should be able to stay. It''s not just differences training like it was for you guys to fly the integrated equip. I know AA metal flies thru STL now, I spot them every day, the enemy ships as I call them. Their should be a grievance filed shortly concerning the proffer of nAAtives to STL.

 

[TWAnr]

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On 4/30/2003 458 PM MiAAmi wrote:

Can it be true!!! Sherry Cooper on her way out. Ding Dong the witch is gone. Now I guess there is some good news after all.

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Hold your celebration. Check the APFA constitution and by laws. Just as a furloughed flight attendant can hold a union office, furloughed flight attendants can vote in union elections. 1,000 nAAtive will have a hard time outvoting 3,000 plus red haired step children.

Sorry to rain on your parade.

 

[Oliver Stone''s Apprentice]

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On 4/30/2003 11:48:45 PM b727fa wrote:

Duh! Both AMR and LLC are under different certificates. They still have seperate AER/EPT...(no, nAAtive Capt. that's not the same as an EPT Test...that would be pilot error.) Whereas the training for recurrent is different, so is the equipment, commands and manual. *You really don't know this, do you?*

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Call me stupid, but if everyone working the cabin has been thru the same training, why is there an issue?

Assuming that what everyone is saying is correct (all the LLC FA's are furloughed), wouldn't AA be free to implement AA's emergency procedures on LLC aircraft? I could easily see part of the 8-day training being focused on safety equipment differences and the rest focused on service differences due to the different galley packing and configurations.

The bigger question is whether or not the FAA would agree to it, and it sounds like they may have already done so. Either that, or it is a huge miscalculation...