BAGGAGE HANDLERS THREAD

[Bob Owens]

...As are your coworkers that were thrown to the street when you voted "yes"...

You too? Another concessions for jobs advocate?

Keep the quality of the job in place at all costs. not the quantity, the workforce is not static, those who are laid off will have something worth coming back to.


You guys speak as if we have to make a choice, what ever happened to "NO, no concesions and No layoffs, headcount reductions through attrition or packages only, if you try and force anything we will strike and shut you down"?

Why pay union dues if the only options we have are the ones the company chooses to put in front of us?

 

[robbedagain]

BOB i thought we had the worst in the industry? yes its very clear mgmt has no intention and no respect for the iam but dont get me wrong the iam could go to the nmb but im not sure why they have not done so i am however pro union whereas freedom by his posts is pro company if we have the 2nd worst contract who has the absolute worst10 yrs of concessions its time to get nice contracts say similar to ual

 

[Kev3188]

You too? Another concessions for jobs advocate?

Nope.

In general, you and I share the same mindset.

I'm an advocate for whatever structure results in the most engaged membership. Period.

That said, Freedom made a big deal out of promoting the last (sh*tty) deal at US. Now he's back and is trying to remake himself as a sort of man of the people. I'm not buying it- to my mind, he's the very definition of a low information voter.

 

[robbedagain]

kev is simply stating that people like freedom have absolutely np with tossing their own coworkers out to the streets just as the 2008 contract has done for more than a dozen cities out west and then when they did do that people like freedom who voted yes for the contract just to get the flippin dough cried foul bec they were losing jobs its people like that that must read the entire agreement before voting for it....

 

[Bob Owens]

BOB i thought we had the worst in the industry? yes its very clear mgmt has no intention and no respect for the iam but dont get me wrong the iam could go to the nmb but im not sure why they have not done so i am however pro union whereas freedom by his posts is pro company if we have the 2nd worst contract who has the absolute worst10 yrs of concessions its time to get nice contracts say similar to ual

Both the US and AA contracts are the worst, seperated by small change, all in the US contract is probably better than the AA one, it remains to be seen since they are in negotiations.

As for Freedom, I dont know if he is as much procompany or anti union. The performance of both the IAM and TWU, especially over the last ten years has caused many to question the value of union membership. At US and AA we earn around $15000 less per year than post BK non-union Delta or Low Cost Carrier Jet Blue. (Jet Blue used to be the type of place we would work to get the experience we needed to get to a legacy carrier, now guys are quitting the legacies to go there.) Hard to find that much value in the US or AA contract. Attacking him for feeling as he does simply puts you more out of touch with what the rest of the rank and file is thinking.

Whats sad is we look at UALs contract as something good. The companies have won, the UAL contract of today is worse than what we were bitching about in the 1990s.

They have succeeded in lowering our expectations.

Kicked to the curb is something thats undesirable, we have been in the gutter so long the curb looks good.

 

[Bob Owens]

Nope.

In general, you and I share the same mindset.

I'm an advocate for whatever structure results in the most engaged membership. Period.

That said, Freedom made a big deal out of promoting the last (sh*tty) deal at US. Now he's back and is trying to remake himself as a sort of man of the people. I'm not buying it- to my mind, he's the very definition of a low information voter.

Ok

 

[T5towbar]

I don't think that this TA will pass. For all of the sacrifices, it lacks station protection and farms out nearly all of the stations. There were at least 29 protected stations in the old IAM contract, and the IBT fought and won protections for 7 smaller stations. Now all that will be left after the end of '16 will be the seven hubs. Plus no pay raises either. I don't see anything good in this first offer. If there are going to be no pay increases, at least have job protection for all.

I would rather have my pension in CARP (which would probably be frozen) than the IAM pension plan.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

The numbers in that TA are pretty gaudy, but after December 31 2016 what do you think will happen? You don't think UA management isn't going to pull the plug on every station they can, as soon as the can?

Pfft.

Didn't they just outsource all cargo handling this summer?

If that TA passes and you're in one of those stations with an expiration date, bend in the hours while you can, dust off the resume and take consolation in the fact you'll have recall rights for life, provided you want to uproot your family and move to a hub city.

 

[AANOTOK]

The numbers in that TA are pretty gaudy, but after December 31 2016 what do you think will happen? You don't think UA management isn't going to pull the plug on every station they can, as soon as the can?

Pfft.

Didn't they just outsource all cargo handling this summer?

If that TA passes and you're in one of those stations with an expiration date, bend in the hours while you can, dust off the resume and take consolation in the fact you'll have recall rights for life, provided you want to uproot your family and move to a hub city.

And our wonderful TWU allowed AA to tie keeping four cargo facilities open at the price of a 2.5% paycut and the loss of longevity. The only reason the paycut did not occur is because of the wonderful "Me Too" clause.

 

[wings396]

And its clear that management at USAIR has ZERO respect for the IAM and is going forward with the merger anyway. Record profits and the second worst contract in the industry, and we are talking worst by nickles and dimes here, we are talking worst by tens of thousands of dollars. The gap between US and AA from the top of the Industry(UPS) is roughly $50,000 a year (we were all around the same in 2002) , the gap between us an SWA roughly $25000/yr and the gap between us an post BK UAL and (non union) Delta is roughly $15000/yr. Delta just got another raise, the further we slip behind the less likely we will ever catch up. (We will never make up for the lost wages)

10 years,of massive concessions, the excuses are becoming more pathetic by the hour.

Bob, not sure that its a ZERO respect issue for the IAM, more about the IAM being in bed with the company for many years. I can say that when push comes to shove, the IAM puts up ZERO of a fight.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob, not sure that its a ZERO tedoc

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[wings396]

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Sorry, dupe post that took before I had a chance to finish up.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

And our wonderful TWU allowed AA to tie keeping four cargo facilities open at the price of a 2.5% paycut and the loss of longevity. The only reason the paycut did not occur is because of the wonderful "Me Too" clause.

Got it backwards, AA allowed those four cities to remain staffed by clerks,the TWU wasn't an active participant, they were tallying dues lost from outsourcing,gave AA whatever they wanted to staunch the flow of dues being lost.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Bob, not sure that its a ZERO respect issue for the IAM, more about the IAM being in bed with the company for many years. I can say that when push comes to shove, the IAM puts up ZERO of a fight.

Well, you won't notice any difference with the TWU either.

 

[T5towbar]

The numbers in that TA are pretty gaudy, but after December 31 2016 what do you think will happen? You don't think UA management isn't going to pull the plug on every station they can, as soon as the can?

Pfft.

Didn't they just outsource all cargo handling this summer?

If that TA passes and you're in one of those stations with an expiration date, bend in the hours while you can, dust off the resume and take consolation in the fact you'll have recall rights for life, provided you want to uproot your family and move to a hub city.

They sure will. Cargo is being"harmonized". They will try to farm out everything!!! How does this thing pass? Jeffy has a intro video on our A/C extolling the benefits and the money that cargo makes. Who benefits from this fiasco (besides the District?) The funny thing is that they opened up stations to mainline just this year. For a lot of us, this TA is a pay cut. Taking a pay cut and losing your job doesn't make sense if you vote YES. I know the sUA people want and deserve the retro, but the company gave 130,000,000 for the IAM to distribute. Go figure.......