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[swamt]

Psssst, the required SEC 10K annual filing is NOT a press release. Your contract extension formula was pay raise, plus additional profit sharing, minus existing jobs plus future farm outs. Answer = ZERO

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AMFA has in no way shape or form loss or reduced jobs at SWA as you are trying to indicate above. The claimed future farm outs you mention could have and would have happend anyway (directly due to the teamsters verbage of the contract that AMFA inherited). AMFA in fact added job security, garr head count (and no not just the 2.75 per A/C) they did more in maint, shops, and heavy struct. not to mention that they also were able to nego a 4th line of maint to come "in house" for something they were going to do anyway, and would have been allowed to do directly due to the teamsters old contract verbage.
And tell the entire truth here. The teamsters were also the union (on property at time) that allowed SWA to take A/C maint out of the country first, as well as the same language couldn't stop the Elsavador maint. Once again, you keep twisting and spinning, but you never tell the entire story, only the bits and pieces that you want others to believe and hear. You really do need to read the old teamsters contract and the current AMFA contract side by side and you will, in fact, see the changes and progress that AMFA has made with a very weak contract they were forced to take over from the teamsters, happy reading...

 

[Anomaly]

AMFA has in no way shape or form loss or reduced jobs at SWA as you are trying to indicate above. The claimed future farm outs you mention could have and would have happend anyway (directly due to the teamsters verbage of the contract that AMFA inherited). AMFA in fact added job security, garr head count (and no not just the 2.75 per A/C) they did more in maint, shops, and heavy struct. not to mention that they also were able to nego a 4th line of maint to come "in house" for something they were going to do anyway, and would have been allowed to do directly due to the teamsters old contract verbage.
And tell the entire truth here. The teamsters were also the union (on property at time) that allowed SWA to take A/C maint out of the country first, as well as the same language couldn't stop the Elsavador maint. Once again, you keep twisting and spinning, but you never tell the entire story, only the bits and pieces that you want others to believe and hear. You really do need to read the old teamsters contract and the current AMFA contract side by side and you will, in fact, see the changes and progress that AMFA has made with a very weak contract they were forced to take over from the teamsters, happy reading...

One more LIE from you. How many does this make there Pinocchio??

From your TEAMSTER 2001 to 2005 agreement;
Article 2 - IBT
5. The Company shall not, directly or through an affiliate, own or acquire a controlling interest in any new repair station, or in any other entity, except for an air carrier, which repairs or maintains aircraft within the United States, unless Employees covered by this Agreement perform the entity’s repair or maintenance work.

6. Work that is customarily performed by Mechanics on the Southwest Airlines Co. System Seniority List within the United States, its territories or possessions shall not be moved to an international location without the Union’s consent.

amfa took over in 2004 (?) and gave this language away in your 2008 to 2012 contract. Southwest entered in to an agreement for aircraft repair and maintenance with Aeroman in El Salvador in 2008.

Instead you went with wordy language that did nothing but complicate your protections by adding more meetings.

Article 2 - amfa
5...Upon reaching a net fleet size of 621 airplanes the Company will add a fourth line of heavy maintenance. In the event aircraft are acquired as result of an acquisition of an airline or entity the Company and AMFA will meet to discuss the impact that such acquisition would have on the implementation of the fourth line of heavy maintenance.

So tell me, how is this language working out for you?? Last I heard, there is still NO fourth line, and your maintenance is still done outside the country.....?

 

[swamt]

One more LIE from you. How many does this make there Pinocchio??

From your TEAMSTER 2001 to 2005 agreement;
Article 2 - IBT
5. The Company shall not, directly or through an affiliate, own or acquire a controlling interest in any new repair station, or in any other entity, except for an air carrier, which repairs or maintains aircraft within the United States, unless Employees covered by this Agreement perform the entity’s repair or maintenance work.

6. Work that is customarily performed by Mechanics on the Southwest Airlines Co. System Seniority List within the United States, its territories or possessions shall not be moved to an international location without the Union’s consent.

amfa gave this language away in your 2008 to 2012 contract and Southwest entered in to an agreement for aircraft repair and maintenance with Aeroman in El Salvador in 2008.

Instead you went with wordy language that did nothing but complicate your protections by adding more meetings.

Article 2 - amfa
5...Upon reaching a net fleet size of 621 airplanes the Company will add a fourth line of heavy maintenance. In the event aircraft are acquired as result of an acquisition of an airline or entity the Company and AMFA will meet to discuss the impact that such acquisition would have on the implementation of the fourth line of heavy maintenance.

So tell me, how is this language working out for you?? Last I heard, there is still NO fourth line, and your maintenance is still done outside the country.....?

One more LIE from you. How many does this make there Pinocchio??

From your TEAMSTER 2001 to 2005 agreement;
Article 2 - IBT
5. The Company shall not, directly or through an affiliate, own or acquire a controlling interest in any new repair station, or in any other entity, except for an air carrier, which repairs or maintains aircraft within the United States, unless Employees covered by this Agreement perform the entity’s repair or maintenance work.

6. Work that is customarily performed by Mechanics on the Southwest Airlines Co. System Seniority List within the United States, its territories or possessions shall not be moved to an international location without the Union’s consent.

amfa took over in 2004 (?) and gave this language away in your 2008 to 2012 contract. Southwest entered in to an agreement for aircraft repair and maintenance with Aeroman in El Salvador in 2008.

Instead you went with wordy language that did nothing but complicate your protections by adding more meetings.

Article 2 - amfa
5...Upon reaching a net fleet size of 621 airplanes the Company will add a fourth line of heavy maintenance. In the event aircraft are acquired as result of an acquisition of an airline or entity the Company and AMFA will meet to discuss the impact that such acquisition would have on the implementation of the fourth line of heavy maintenance.

So tell me, how is this language working out for you?? Last I heard, there is still NO fourth line, and your maintenance is still done outside the country.....?

Again, it was the teamsters that allowed outsourcing to Canada FIRST. When they allowed that, it opened the doors. teamsters allowed SWA to take 2 lines up to Canada FIRST not AMFA. They opened the doors. Just for the record, I will always vote no on outsourcing outside of the US. No airline union out there can stop the outsourcing of A/C maint 100%.

2nd note: you already know the 4th line of maint will start July of 2013. There is currently a rather large grievence in the works for them not starting the 4th line on time. SWA is currently hiring 10 mechs per month off the street thru the end of this year, and will hire 5-10 mechs per month until July 2013 when the 4th line starts. You are corect, 4th line is getting a late start, but it is coming with the grievences being worked as we speak for the late start.

And once again you dodge the fact that you first stated that AMFA loss jobs. AMFA did not loose any jobs what-so ever, they have in fact nego to add jobs to the tune of about 90-100 new positions related to the 4th line. SWA has been hiring since April of 2011, that's 7 months at 5 per = 35, 10 per for rest this year = 65, even if they only hire 5 per for the remaining total will be 95 newly added positions for new hires off the street that AMFA succesfully nego to bring in more work and jobs... Good luck with twisting this one chiefy.

 

[WNMECH]

One more LIE from you. How many does this make there Pinocchio??

From your TEAMSTER 2001 to 2005 agreement;
Article 2 - IBT
5. The Company shall not, directly or through an affiliate, own or acquire a controlling interest in any new repair station, or in any other entity, except for an air carrier, which repairs or maintains aircraft within the United States, unless Employees covered by this Agreement perform the entity’s repair or maintenance work.

6. Work that is customarily performed by Mechanics on the Southwest Airlines Co. System Seniority List within the United States, its territories or possessions shall not be moved to an international location without the Union’s consent.

amfa took over in 2004 (?) and gave this language away in your 2008 to 2012 contract and Southwest entered in to an agreement for aircraft repair and maintenance with Aeroman in El Salvador in 2008.

Instead you went with wordy language that did nothing but complicate your protections by adding more meetings.

Article 2 - amfa
5...Upon reaching a net fleet size of 621 airplanes the Company will add a fourth line of heavy maintenance. In the event aircraft are acquired as result of an acquisition of an airline or entity the Company and AMFA will meet to discuss the impact that such acquisition would have on the implementation of the fourth line of heavy maintenance.

So tell me, how is this language working out for you?? Last I heard, there is still NO fourth line, and your maintenance is still done outside the country.....?

Even with the language you post, SWA sent work to Canada under the IBT.

And they could still send that to el salvador with that same language.
In fact they said they would.

I never got to vote on sending work to Canada under the IBT.
However under AMFA, we voted and strengthened our language by agreeing to allow only 4 lines to only one foreign vendor with no changes without our vote.
The company said they could and would continue outsourcing to foreign vendors all they want with the teamsters contract language because that work wad already given away by the IBT.

We did not give away contract ptotections, we added real protections under AMFA.

 

[Anomaly]

One more LIE from you. How many does this make there Pinocchio??

From your TEAMSTER 2001 to 2005 agreement;
Article 2 - IBT
5. The Company shall not, directly or through an affiliate, own or acquire a controlling interest in any new repair station, or in any other entity, except for an air carrier, which repairs or maintains aircraft within the United States, unless Employees covered by this Agreement perform the entity’s repair or maintenance work.

6. Work that is customarily performed by Mechanics on the Southwest Airlines Co. System Seniority List within the United States, its territories or possessions shall not be moved to an international location without the Union’s consent.

amfa took over in 2004 (?) and gave this language away in your 2008 to 2012 contract. Southwest entered in to an agreement for aircraft repair and maintenance with Aeroman in El Salvador in 2008.

Instead you went with wordy language that did nothing but complicate your protections by adding more meetings.

Article 2 - amfa
5...Upon reaching a net fleet size of 621 airplanes the Company will add a fourth line of heavy maintenance. In the event aircraft are acquired as result of an acquisition of an airline or entity the Company and AMFA will meet to discuss the impact that such acquisition would have on the implementation of the fourth line of heavy maintenance.

So tell me, how is this language working out for you?? Last I heard, there is still NO fourth line, and your maintenance is still done outside the country.....?

Again, it was the teamsters that allowed outsourcing to Canada FIRST. When they allowed that, it opened the doors. teamsters allowed SWA to take 2 lines up to Canada FIRST not AMFA. They opened the doors. Just for the record, I will always vote no on outsourcing outside of the US. No airline union out there can stop the outsourcing of A/C maint 100%.

2nd note: you already know the 4th line of maint will start July of 2013. There is currently a rather large grievence in the works for them not starting the 4th line on time. SWA is currently hiring 10 mechs per month off the street thru the end of this year, and will hire 5-10 mechs per month until July 2013 when the 4th line starts. You are corect, 4th line is getting a late start, but it is coming with the grievences being worked as we speak for the late start.

And once again you dodge the fact that you first stated that AMFA loss jobs. AMFA did not loose any jobs what-so ever, they have in fact nego to add jobs to the tune of about 90-100 new positions related to the 4th line. SWA has been hiring since April of 2011, that's 7 months at 5 per = 35, 10 per for rest this year = 65, even if they only hire 5 per for the remaining total will be 95 newly added positions for new hires off the street that AMFA succesfully nego to bring in more work and jobs... Good luck with twisting this one chiefy.

Twist all you want. The language was there in the 2001 IBT agreement, and gone in the 2008 amfa agreement.

With the companies devotion to a 15% ROIC in the coming year, lets see how that 2013 deal works for you.

Even with the language you post, SWA sent work to Canada under the IBT.

And they could still send that to el salvador with that same language.
In fact they said they would.

I never got to vote on sending work to Canada under the IBT.
However under AMFA, we voted and strengthened our language by agreeing to allow only 4 lines to only one foreign vendor with no changes without our vote.
The company said they could and would continue outsourcing to foreign vendors all they want with the teamsters contract language because that work wad already given away by the IBT.

We did not give away contract ptotections, we added real protections under AMFA.

Care to cut and paste this stronger language? Or the language that allows the company to violate the contract because it was agreed to once? Also I see nothing that explicitly implies 4 lines to only 1 foreign vendor? I offer proof through outside links and direct contract quotes so readers can research the information themselves. Your credibility here is falling to as low as swamt.

 

[swamt]

Twist all you want. The language was there in the 2001 IBT agreement, and gone in the 2008 amfa agreement.

With the companies devotion to a 15% ROIC in the coming year, lets see how that 2013 deal works for you.

I knew you wouldn't believe me. No twist it is all fact. I must now direct your attention to WN's post above. He's correct that we also did not get a vote when the teamsters agreed to allow SWA to farm out out of the country. Matter fact, correct me if I am wrong, I believe it was a verbal behind closed door deals that they are so famous for. If that's the kind of representation you want then you can have them by all means.

 

[Anomaly]

I knew you wouldn't believe me. No twist it is all fact. I must now direct your attention to WN's post above. He's correct that we also did not get a vote when the teamsters agreed to allow SWA to farm out out of the country. Matter fact, correct me if I am wrong, I believe it was a verbal behind closed door deals that they are so famous for. If that's the kind of representation you want then you can have them by all means.

Oh, well why didn't you just say that. If WNMECH writes it, it must be true....

Pointing to another poster is not exactly what I had in mind when I asked for proof of your statements. But I guess I was expecting too much....

 

[WNMECH]

Oh, well why didn't you just say that. If WNMECH writes it, it must be true....

Pointing to another poster is not exactly what I had in mind when I asked for proof of your statements. But I guess I was expecting too much....

I will paste the language when I can.
Meanwhile you will also paste the info showing we gave up as much as we received in our 2004 extension as you have claimed.

Until then YOUR credibility is ZERO.

Still waiting...........

 

[Anomaly]

I will paste the language when I can.
Meanwhile you will also paste the info showing we gave up as much as we received in our 2004 extension as you have claimed.

Until then YOUR credibility is ZERO.

Still waiting...........

I DID.....But once again.....It is in the 10K reports as well as the news cast. A deal was struck with amfa represented mechanics to allow a cost neutral extension in exchange for some work rules and flexibility.

With many of my claims I post a quote or link supporting my position. You post your opinion and refer me to swamt.... too funny.

 

[WNMECH]

I DID.....But once again.....It is in the 10K reports as well as the news cast. A deal was struck with amfa represented mechanics to allow a cost neutral exitension in exchange for some work rules and flexibility.

With many of my claims I post a quote or link supporting my position. You post your opinion and refer me to swamt.... too funny.

The 10k report says nothing about AMFA giving up anything.
It says the whole company achieved greater productivity while reducing head count.

Nice try.

We have never reduced our ranks except for a few senior buyouts.

While we gained aircraft we also reworked our whole maintenance program so the checks were flying longer between checks.

This us called productivity gains and you don't know a thing about Swa.

It is clear that you are the one who is just too funny here and I have not referred you to SWAMT either.

Still waiting for you to explain all the things we gave up in 2004.......


Waiting.......
Waiting........

 

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[iluvaa]

Good info from the webinar thanks to all that put it together

 

[unionguy1]

Good info from the webinar thanks to all that put it together

I totally agree

 

[1AA]

Excellent presentation. Very professional.
Many good points made in one hour.

The spin doctors should be queuing in soon.
Unless they claim they did not watch it.

 

[swamt]

Can the video be linked to here? If so, could some one post it for Anomaly and his supporters. He always wants posted links to refer to. Now he can view the video and get most all his questions aswered.
That was indeed a very full one hour video. I completely forgot about the teamsters agreeing to the 2 big lines of maint at Horizon, as well to signing an agreement to not talk about it. Great video guys, great job...