No but if they took stuff from the trash that I would have to pay to cart away I wouldnt mind. If its headed towards the garbage terminating someone for putting it to use is petty at best.
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No but if they took stuff from the trash that I would have to pay to cart away I wouldnt mind. If its headed towards the garbage terminating someone for putting it to use is petty at best.
My guess is you had your eye on what he took.
operaations
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If the stuff is headed for the trash than follow it to the garbage dumpster and feel free to climb in and take what you need. Bu so long as it is on the AA aircraft it belongs to AA. Petty I would say yes it is petty. But who am I to decide what rules I need to follow and not follow. The person who stole took a chance and they got caught.
jimntx
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Here's the problem with that perspective....
Some f/as (and pilots) "create" trash. They open unused bottles of wine at the end of the flight, and pour a little out of them, so they can use the argument, "Well, it was just going to be thrown out." If it is returned to the caterer unopened, AA gets credit for it, and it reduces our overall catering costs.
We are told, you can consume any leftover, unused meals on the the aircraft. You can not take anything off the a/c. We are even allowed to eat unsold fresh sandwiches on the longer flights, but we can not take an unopened sandwich off the airplane.
If you start making exceptions, people find a way to make sure what they are stealing falls into the exceptions category. In the long run though, it doesn't matter whether or not the rule is petty, it is the rule. As they used to say at my former employer, "the Golden Rule in business is He who has the gold makes the rules."
Here's the problem with that perspective....
Some f/as (and pilots) "create" trash. They open unused bottles of wine at the end of the flight, and pour a little out of them, so they can use the argument, "Well, it was just going to be thrown out." If it is returned to the caterer unopened, AA gets credit for it, and it reduces our overall catering costs.
We are told, you can consume any leftover, unused meals on the the aircraft. You can not take anything off the a/c. We are even allowed to eat unsold fresh sandwiches on the longer flights, but we can not take an unopened sandwich off the airplane.
If you start making exceptions, people find a way to make sure what they are stealing falls into the exceptions category. In the long run though, it doesn't matter whether or not the rule is petty, it is the rule. As they used to say at my former employer, "the Golden Rule in business is He who has the gold makes the rules."
Why should AA feed the f/a's and pilots? AA does not feed the mechs, ramprats, and counter agents. That is the job you wanted, so pack your own lunch or buy like the rest of us do.
This rumor come up at least once a year. Last year it was even addressed on jetnet. Unlikely to be any more real than it was last year or the year before.
I've heard this rumor for years, but never seen any proof of it. For starters, any kind of equipment like this would have documentation from a maintenance side of it;and this we do not have. AA cannot just hook up camera's that would stay with the aircraft without engineering approval and mounds of paperwork to go with it.
Who know if it is true or not?
I did hear today that only one of the flight attendants was officially terminated, the one with the wine. The others were suspended pending investigation. It is all heresay, the camera quotes were from the APA forums.
It can't be too hard to determine if there is a camera in those galleys or not, just go snooping.
I did hear today that only one of the flight attendants was officially terminated, the one with the wine. The others were suspended pending investigation. It is all heresay, the camera quotes were from the APA forums.
It can't be too hard to determine if there is a camera in those galleys or not, just go snooping.
FurloughedByAPFA
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FROM APFA:
Rumor Control: Lots of rumors swirling around right now:
Q: I heard four flight attendants were fired last week in London. What happened?
A: Several crewmembers were caught in the middle of a customs bag search in London. Until these investigations have concluded, it is important that all Flight Attendants refrain from speculating or forwarding messages about this incident. This is for the privacy of those FAs involved. Rumors only serve to exacerbate the situation. If, at a future date APFA needs to call in the unity of APFA members on this matter you will be noticed. For now we ask that you put yourself in these members shoes and let their representation process be focused on just that - a thorough APFA defense based strictly on the facts and circumstances of their situation. APFA must remind all Flight Attendants of the importance of declaring everything you transport through Customs on each and every customs entrance. It is also imperative that you DO NOT transport any in-flight items in your bag from one flight to the next in anticipation of ensuring your passengers have everything they need for your next flight. This could put your job at jeopardy.
:cop: :cop: h34r:
Rumor Control: Lots of rumors swirling around right now:
Q: I heard four flight attendants were fired last week in London. What happened?
A: Several crewmembers were caught in the middle of a customs bag search in London. Until these investigations have concluded, it is important that all Flight Attendants refrain from speculating or forwarding messages about this incident. This is for the privacy of those FAs involved. Rumors only serve to exacerbate the situation. If, at a future date APFA needs to call in the unity of APFA members on this matter you will be noticed. For now we ask that you put yourself in these members shoes and let their representation process be focused on just that - a thorough APFA defense based strictly on the facts and circumstances of their situation. APFA must remind all Flight Attendants of the importance of declaring everything you transport through Customs on each and every customs entrance. It is also imperative that you DO NOT transport any in-flight items in your bag from one flight to the next in anticipation of ensuring your passengers have everything they need for your next flight. This could put your job at jeopardy.
:cop: :cop: h34r:jimntx
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I didn't say AA fed us. AA allows us to eat unused F/C meals or unsold fresh items from coach--like the sandwiches on long flights. These items would, in fact, be thrown away because the health laws require it. Considering the high-fat, high-salt content of the meals, that's probably the best place for them.
By the way, the pilots' contract and the FAA say they have to be fed. And, I don't have a problem with that. Low blood sugar in the person driving the bus is not good.
And, since I am away from home for up to 6 days at a time, packing a lunch is not practical. Also, since I often have days where I am on-duty for up to 13 hours with no more than 1 hour on the ground between flights, when do you suggest I stop and buy something to eat? Gate agents love to write us up for delaying boarding if we walk up to the gate carrying food purchased in the airport.
Thanks for your concern.
local 12 proud
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Its a load of bull, the airplanes are maintained by AA Mechanics and any such device would be uncovered. besides AMFAMAN already touched on the fact that any alteration would have to have records, we are held to a standard called the FAR's. You cant just make an addition or subtraction without documentation, plain and simple!
Garfield1966
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Huh? That sounds like a polite way f saying don't steal stuff off the airplane because you could get canned. What possible items would a FA take from one flight to another for the passengers?
jimntx
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Like the f/a I know of personally who took an entire insert of liquor minis--including the little plastic basket they come in--"in case they forget to cater the liquor on the next flight."
Little stuff like the Equal packages that come with tea bags as well as the nice towels. Some places, LHR, can't seem to leave them on the plane or cater them. I've seen people take the grey bags as well.
I had a note in my file that stated items belonging to the Company that I might have in my possesion. They included cards, wings, stir rods, you name it, it was on the list. It was signed by a Supervisor and I was covered for any crew kit check. You have to use common sense but I can see how you might grab milk from an early am flight if you're running to one you know will have children and no milk. You can write flt report after flt report but if they won't chance the packing procedures, your pax are screwed. In the early days of LLC we often "robbed" another TWA flt of champagne because AA would not reprovision in certain stations (like LAX) and we got tired of takiing the brunt of the pax unfulfilled expectations.
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